Why won't god do something incredible that will compell non-believers to believe NOW? - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

Two Plus Two Forums Other Topics Religion, God, and Theology

Why won't god do something incredible that will compell non-believers to believe NOW?

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 2 of 16

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12

Page 2 of 16

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12

06-12-2010 , 06:49 PM

#26

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

Maybe God also knows that you will ignore or disbelieve any evidence he provides.

Then I don't have free will and therefore I'm just a puppet in god's cosmic show and therefore have no ownership for something I was doomed to from the get go.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 06:59 PM

#27

RLK

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,420

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Please quote where I said that.

OK.

Quote:

I don't understand why god wouldn't do this if he does exist.

Quote:

Now that you realize that I didn't say that, you'll realize that what I said is that assuming god exists, it's not unreasonable to expect him to do X. Not that he MUST do X.

I also never said if he doesn't do X then he must not exist. Your entire post is a ****ing strawman.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:01 PM

#28

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Now that you realize that I didn't say that, you'll realize that what I said is that assuming god exists, it's not unreasonable to expect him to do X. Not that he MUST do X.

I dont see why its unreasonable to ask why Gods playing hide and seek and only uncloaking to some. It really makes no sense. You figure if God wanted to talk to humans and give us important info he would do it in an undeniable no misunderstanding way.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:02 PM

#29

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

"I don't understand why god wouldn't do X" /= "God must do X or he doesn't exist"

Princess is in another castle...

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:07 PM

#30

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

Quote:

Originally Posted by batair

ZOMG, CLEARLY YOU ARE SAYING THAT IF GOD DOESN'T DO THAT THEN HE DOESN'T EXIST! THAT'S CLEARLY A VERY WEAK REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM ARGUMENT!%#!%#!^!&

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:14 PM

#31

Maximum Rocknroll

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,458

rize,

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:15 PM

#32

Gunth0807

Wears Hoodies in Pizza Joints

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 9,249

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Then I don't have free will and therefore I'm just a puppet in god's cosmic show and therefore have no ownership for something I was doomed to from the get go.

But He loves you.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:22 PM

#33

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

ZOMG, CLEARLY YOU ARE SAYING THAT IF GOD DOESN'T DO THAT THEN HE DOESN'T EXIST! THAT'S CLEARLY A VERY WEAK REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM ARGUMENT!%#!%#!^!&

Whoops... i always make that category error.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:27 PM

#34

Monkey Banana

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 40,103

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Then I don't have free will and therefore I'm just a puppet in god's cosmic show and therefore have no ownership for something I was doomed to from the get go.

That doesn't precisely follow from what I said but obviously free will has to be drawn pretty finely given that God knows what choices you will make.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:31 PM

#35

All-In Flynn

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,923

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximum Rocknroll

rize,

IMO

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:35 PM

#36

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

IMO

Wow you're so witty and funny, how can I be like you. You're so cool.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:37 PM

#37

SixT4

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,924

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunth0807

But He loves you.

So does my dog. And when he wants to get my attention, he just ****s on the kitchen floor.

I don't see why this is beyond God's capabilities.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:39 PM

#38

Jibninjas

Stuck in a While loop

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11,612

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Do you believe that there are people out there that think they're the ones taking things seriously and attempt to tell others they don't, but in reality are deceiving themselves?

most certainly.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:42 PM

#39

All-In Flynn

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,923

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Wow you're so witty and funny, how can I be like you.

Try the Valium.

Quote:

You're so cool.

Aw don't I know it.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:45 PM

#40

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

How can I have a humungous ego like you flynn I need that too

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:47 PM

#41

SixT4

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,924

On a random note, I do find Christians baffling.

I have no idea how you get from "The universe has an intelligent creator" to "I communicate and have a personal relationship with him, and this book details what he wants from us".

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:49 PM

#42

Jibninjas

Stuck in a While loop

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11,612

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixT4

The bolded comes from the historical evidence that Jesus was who he claimed to be.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:51 PM

#43

Gunth0807

Wears Hoodies in Pizza Joints

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 9,249

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixT4

Goes hand in hand.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 07:58 PM

#44

SixT4

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,924

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jibninjas

The bolded comes from the historical evidence that Jesus was who he claimed to be.

And what might that be?

Quote

06-12-2010 , 08:02 PM

#45

Gunth0807

Wears Hoodies in Pizza Joints

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 9,249

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixT4

And what might that be?

"The universe has an intelligent creator"

"I communicate and have a personal relationship with him, and this book details what he wants from us".

Quote

06-12-2010 , 08:05 PM

#46

SixT4

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,924

Your post is unrelated to the one you quoted.

Those two statements do not go hand in hand however. An intelligent creator does not have to communicate, or give a crap about you whatsoever.

Quote

06-12-2010 , 08:07 PM

#47

All-In Flynn

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,923

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

How can I have a humungous ego like you flynn I need that too

OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY STRAWMAN ME LIKE THAT ****ING HELL HOW BIG OF A MORON ARE YOU I MEAN SERIOUSLY IS THERE SOMETHING PHYSICALLY BROKEN INSIDE YOUR BRAIN OR ARE YOU JUST A MORON BLAH BLAH BLAH

See? I can be like rize, but can rize be like me?