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11-02-2009 , 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxising

I read someplace that Einstein said that matter and energy were forms of the same thing - that they both came from something else. But that in the whole scientific rush of figuring out how the one converts to the other, the idea of the Something Else got lost. Sometimes this is how I think of God, as the something else.

Col 1:17 And he (God) is before all things, and by him (God) all things consist.

All thing are held together by God, He is the main reason for everything, so Einstein was right.

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11-02-2009 , 11:08 PM

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that seems disingenuous. if that was said (that they both came from "something else") it probably just referred to the fact that energy just changes from one type to another.

No, he was talking about something not "energy" and not "matter" (as matter is just sort of twisted energy and the two are just constantly shifting forms of one another).

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11-03-2009 , 01:05 AM

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sorry, i doubt it

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11-03-2009 , 01:35 AM

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sorry, i doubt it

Well, I can't imagine why you'd be sorry - however, are you doubting there is something else or doubting Einstein meant what I said?

I s'pose now I have to go rooting through a bunch of old files and figure out where the quote was I read.....

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11-05-2009 , 01:46 AM

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i suspect you know that i wasn't ACTUALLY sorry. kinda like how i know that you know that.

but yeah, the second thing.

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11-05-2009 , 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by daryn

but yeah, the second thing.

Ok, I'll see what I can find next couple of days.

Watch this space! (well - some space below..vvvvv)

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11-05-2009 , 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pletho

See my point proven without much research.......

Again I will state it a true man of God cannot be created by a seminary, you can get the likes of Max though.

Some enter with the best of intentions and by the time they are done all the crap they are are exposed to caused them to stop believing. Because the seminaries do not teach the whole truth or anything close to it......

Would the seminary mention that the ideas of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam were most likely passed down from Sufism and shamanism which is rooted in Egyptian Mythos which was probably based of something quite similar.

Hope is as hollow as fear

I have some questions for one of these atheist clergy

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11-05-2009 , 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by daryn

but yeah, the second thing.

This is what I have, and I don't have this book and doubt it's in my small town local library (I used to live in a city with a great library) so I don't have Matt's original reference:

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Einstein said that matter is energy in a tangible form, different states of a single continuum. But, both matter and energy are different names for two forms of something else. (Matt 1996, pg. 44)

Matt, Daniel C., God & the Big Bang: Discovering Harmony Between Science and Spirituality, Jewish Lights Publishing, Woodstock, Vermont. 1996.

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11-05-2009 , 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxising

This is what I have, and I don't have this book and doubt it's in my small town local library (I used to live in a city with a great library) so I don't have Matt's original reference:

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Einstein said that matter is energy in a tangible form, different states of a single continuum. But, both matter and energy are different names for two forms of something else. (Matt 1996, pg. 44)

It's hard to tell without the full context but that reads like the "But" belongs to Matt, not Einstein.

George says water and ice are the same thing on a continuum, BUT both water and ice are actually two forms of snicketty. ( that wouldn't imply that george goes along with the snicketty claim or is making it).

I'll wait for the full Einstein quote, who knows.

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11-05-2009 , 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrmusicrecorder

Hope is as hollow as fear

I have some questions for one of these atheist clergy

Many people come out of a seminary not believing in God or the bible.

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11-05-2009 , 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Max H

I didn't attend seminary. I was ordained online through the Universal Life Church. It is free and open to anyone.

Just as no two people, it seems, can agree upon what God is, the term atheist falls into the same category.

There are people who some would call atheists who believe that there is a source of all life and matter. But being human with intellectual and perceptual constraints they choose not to attempt to define or name this source.

So do you believe that your credientials that you obtained from an online course qualify you to be a man of God? Do you know what a man of God is?

Do you really think that becoming a man of God can be bought or taught on a online course?

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11-05-2009 , 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pletho

I think they teach that in sunday school... you don't need an online course.
So these magical (bible) stories as relevant today as the Mayan's rain god are the only path to "salvation" hahaha.

Do they teach all religions in seminary school?

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11-05-2009 , 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pletho

Well since Max is an atheist, I doubt he thinks of himself as a man of God. Since that would make him a man of nothing. He just likes to officiate at weddings.

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