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02-27-2011 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
cool dream..
Oh my god ! ! You are so E-Cool now.... thanks for reading the entire thread and contributing with such forethought and knowledge!

This place is better with your enlightened posts.
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02-27-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Oh my god ! ! You are so E-Cool now.... thanks for reading the entire thread and contributing with such forethought and knowledge!

This place is better with your enlightened posts.
cool story bro... did you use the inception app to dream out Jesus?
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02-27-2011 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
You disappoint me now... you can do MUCH better than that.
Eh, I'm kinda tired, I think that line came to me in a dream or something.
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02-27-2011 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Sure.... it was at about 2:30 in the AM... He came to me.

I woke up...saw His face and laid back down... then I thought.. Who was that? Was that a vision or was that real?

I opened my eyes again and saw Him again.

He stood there and as I looked in His eyes... I knew He was the Lord.

I felt a bit ashamed... a bit worried... mostly embarrassed ... He said "I've been here for you."

I closed my eyes... felt a warmth over my body... still a bit scared... opened my eyes again... He was still there.

I said "I'm sorry"

He said "I've always been here for you."

That's it.

I got out of bed... recorded the event on a piece of paper. Been a Christian ever since.

Now you ask... "Were you drunk?" -- No
"Had you been asking for a sign?" -- No

I was basically a Wiccan/Zen Buddhist. I never denied that Jesus was a man... I just didn't believe that he was the son of God... if there was A god.

I studied world religion in college... never felt threatened by Christians or atheist... just did my own thing.

"Do as ye will ...lest ye harm no man." --- That's from the Wicca.

I had read about Christianity...Judaism... tried to understand the Bible... never took.

Not until that night.

This wasn't something that I wanted to happen... it's also not something that I expect non-believers to ever believe. I wouldn't believe it. In fact... I never believed the stories I heard Christians tell before this happened to me.

Am I 100% sure that this actually happened and wasn't a sleepy dream?
As sure as I am sitting here right now... yes.

As sure as you non-believers are that there is no god at all... I am exactly that sure that there is and Jesus was the Messiah.

Am I 100% sure that we are interpreting the Bible the way God meant it to be interpreted? I am 100% sure that we are not.
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
That's the hard part to describe.

To say 'there weren't facial features' would be too vague. I saw his frame.. i saw his hands..with holes in them... I remember His eyes and expression.

To say... He had a beard and blue eyes... would just be making stuff up.

"So how did you know he was God?"

No idea..... other than He was God.

When I looked the second time and saw his hands... and he said "I have always been here for you..." it was just obvious to me.

Can't really describe it in terms that would make you go "Holy cow! JD really met God!"
Please scan and post the piece of paper that you recorded this on. Or did you throw it away? It should be preserved for those who read this thread hundreds of years from now.

Please explain why you are not wearing a hat with "Jesus" on it, rather than "Joey Diamonds".





Why do you think he picked you? Could it have been your Wicca background that impressed him? Your openness to eternal cosmic truths?

We have known for a long time that you are special, despite your sometimes abrasive demeanor.

Thank you for sharing this. I understand what a big step it must be for you.
"I've been here for you."

Last edited by VP$IP; 02-28-2011 at 12:18 AM.
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02-28-2011 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Eh, I'm kinda tired, I think that line came to me in a dream or something.
DAMNIT ! Another good one.... well played, sir.
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02-28-2011 , 12:35 AM
interesting experience. thanks for sharing. how did you know the guy he saw was a christian god? of all the people in the world, why do you think he chose you? when you saw god, why didn't you keep watching him or ask him any questions? you just went back to sleep? that's your reaction to seeing god?
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02-28-2011 , 12:35 AM
The holes in the hands.

"i saw his hands..with holes in them"
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02-28-2011 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Please scan and post the piece of paper that you recorded this on. Or did you throw it away? It should be preserved for those who read this thread hundreds of years from now.

Please explain why you are not wearing a hat with "Jesus" on it, rather than "Joey Diamonds".





Why do you think he picked you? Could it have been your Wicca background that impressed him? Your openness to eternal cosmic truths?

We have known for a long time that you are special, despite your sometimes abrasive demeanor.

Thank you for sharing this. I understand what a big step it must be for you.
"I've been here for you."
Why? Would seeing the actual paper change your views about this?

Why am I not wearing a hat with Jesus on it? Is that the best you can do to preface the picture you so wanted to post? I wear a hat with my name on it because I think it's funny.
I'm not sure why He picked me... I'm not the only one He has come to.
I'm not sure having knowledge of a belief that pre-dates Christianity had anything to do with it... pretty sure it didn't..but could be wrong.

Your attempt to down play and mock my answer to the OP makes you seem kind of.... dare I say it... immature?
In the past you have come across as somewhat knowledgeable and also one with a fair sense of humor... but this was just a silly attempt to be funny...I think.

I hope you don't lose too much e-credit from those you wish to impress. Life is too short to not be respected on an internet forum.
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02-28-2011 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Why? Would seeing the actual paper change your views about this?

Why am I not wearing a hat with Jesus on it? Is that the best you can do to preface the picture you so wanted to post? I wear a hat with my name on it because I think it's funny.
I'm not sure why He picked me... I'm not the only one He has come to.
I'm not sure having knowledge of a belief that pre-dates Christianity had anything to do with it... pretty sure it didn't..but could be wrong.

Your attempt to down play and mock my answer to the OP makes you seem kind of.... dare I say it... immature?
In the past you have come across as somewhat knowledgeable and also one with a fair sense of humor... but this was just a silly attempt to be funny...I think.

I hope you don't lose too much e-credit from those you wish to impress. Life is too short to not be respected on an internet forum.
Jesus really loves Joey.

Even more than he loves Mother Teresa.

He would not give her the time of day. Not a peep in 50 years.

Privately, Mother Teresa experienced doubts and struggles over her religious beliefs which lasted nearly fifty years until the end of her life, during which "she felt no presence of God whatsoever", "neither in her heart or in the eucharist" as put by her postulator Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk. Mother Teresa expressed grave doubts about God's existence and pain over her lack of faith:

Where is my faith? Even deep down ... there is nothing but emptiness and darkness ... If there be God—please forgive me. When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul ... How painful is this unknown pain—I have no Faith. Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal, ... What do I labor for? If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.
Joey > Teresa

"I've been here for you."

Last edited by VP$IP; 02-28-2011 at 12:46 AM. Reason: Bad beat for Teresa
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02-28-2011 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by federer007
interesting experience. thanks for sharing. how did you know the guy he saw was a christian god? of all the people in the world, why do you think he chose you? when you saw god, why didn't you keep watching him or ask him any questions? you just went back to sleep? that's your reaction to seeing god?
Very good questions.....

I can't explain how I knew it. I really don't know.... because the Christian God was the god I knew the least about at the time.

If Diana had appeared...as I often tried to conjure up.. i would understand how I knew it was her.

He was the image of a man crucified... a look in his eyes of a man saddened by me...my life.
Why did He chose me? No idea. Why did Jesus raise a womans son from the dead? Why not all dead sons?
Why did Jesus give sight to those He did? Why not just say ALL MEN CAN SEE?
Am I special because of this? Absolutely not. Has He come to many people? Absolutely yes.

Why didn't I ask Him questions? That is the easiest to answer. I felt shame...and embarrassed and the only thing I could even think to say was... "I am sorry".
If I had expected this visit... sure..I may have asked 100 questions. Seeing the Lord of all creation is a pretty humbling experience. Asking questions is the furthest thing from your mind. Or at least it was in my case. Never even crossed my mind.
When He said "I have always been here " .... the shame I felt for ever doubting overwhelmed any other thought or feeling.
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02-28-2011 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Jesus really loves Joey.

Even more than he loves Mother Teresa.

He would not give her the time of day. Not a peep in 50 years.

Privately, Mother Teresa experienced doubts and struggles over her religious beliefs which lasted nearly fifty years until the end of her life, during which "she felt no presence of God whatsoever", "neither in her heart or in the eucharist" as put by her postulator Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk. Mother Teresa expressed grave doubts about God's existence and pain over her lack of faith:

Where is my faith? Even deep down ... there is nothing but emptiness and darkness ... If there be God—please forgive me. When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul ... How painful is this unknown pain—I have no Faith. Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal, ... What do I labor for? If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.
Joey > Teresa

"I've been here for you."
You do realize what a tool you are looking like...right?
Sticking to topic...I answered a question.

You may not believe the answer but your childish antics really make you look sad and childish.
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02-28-2011 , 12:50 AM
when you spoke to you in english, what kind of accent did he have? what was he wearing? how tall was he? was he white? you are telling us you saw God and not giving many details.
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02-28-2011 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by federer007
when you spoke to you in english, what kind of accent did he have?
What?

Put the bong down
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02-28-2011 , 12:54 AM
there are many different ways english is spoken. you're saying he spoke to you in american accent? even in america, there are many accents depending on the region. these are not insignificant details if you think you saw God. we'd like to know EVERY detail if it really is god.
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02-28-2011 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by federer007
when you spoke to you in english, what kind of accent did he have? what was he wearing? how tall was he? was he white? you are telling us you saw God and not giving many details.
You're missing all the details.
Does any of that superficial stuff matter? Seriously?
Would you believe the encounter more if I said he was a tall white man with a beard wearing a white sheet and sandals?
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02-28-2011 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by federer007
there are many different ways english is spoken. you're saying he spoke to you in american accent? even in america, there are many accents depending on the region. these are not insignificant details if you think you saw God. we'd like to know EVERY detail if it really is god.
Where did I say any of that?
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02-28-2011 , 12:56 AM
EVERY detail matters if it's the real God. We're not asking what accent your neighbor has. No detail is unimportant.

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Where did I say any of that?
i asked a question. i didn't say you said that. there is a question mark at the end
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02-28-2011 , 12:59 AM
Joey, the funny thing is....is that Gods generally appear to prophets or people who will perform God's work during their time on earth. These people generally have much to say about their encounters with the Lord (stories, teachings, etc). I mean, Jesus...new religions are found from the basis of such encounters. Yet, you just saw him and hands, wrote this down that you saw him, and became a new Christian devotee the following morning.

Your story is like swiss cheese. Its full of holes and it stinks. You need attention and love, Joey.

(E-hug)
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02-28-2011 , 01:03 AM
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Its full of holes
I see what you did there
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02-28-2011 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
What?

Put the bong down
hahahaa..
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02-28-2011 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Icheckforvalue
Your story is like swiss cheese. Its full of holes and it stinks.
Please don't offend the people of my faith.


If you melt the cheese the holes go away.
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02-28-2011 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Icheckforvalue
Joey, the funny thing is....is that Gods generally appear to prophets or people who will perform God's work during their time on earth. These people generally have much to say about their encounters with the Lord (stories, teachings, etc). I mean, Jesus...new religions are found from the basis of such encounters. Yet, you just saw him and hands, wrote this down that you saw him, and became a new Christian devotee the following morning.

Your story is like swiss cheese. Its full of holes and it stinks. You need attention and love, Joey.

(E-hug)
A) There are no Gods...plural... only 1 God

2) "people who will perform God's work during their time on earth." <-- I am

Thanks for the hug
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02-28-2011 , 10:25 AM
Joey, how long ago did this happen? Have you had any more similar experiences?
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02-28-2011 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oshenz11
Joey, how long ago did this happen? Have you had any more similar experiences?
2005

No
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02-28-2011 , 02:06 PM
I started beieving in God because I NEEDED something in my life to sustain me.
I was broken and hurt and lost and I needed something to cling to.
The Christ was presented to me, I wanted to be saved not from eternal Hell, but real life Hell. So I believed.

I believe now because I NEED God more than I did then.

A very scary thing happens to me once in a very long while. I will feel God dissapear. I can't find Him, can't be comforted by the thought of Him. I will open the Bible and desperatley look for words that actually have truth behind them, and I can't find the truth. I have all the God Knowledge I've always had, know all the facts I've always known, but the "thing" that makes them real facts just vanishes. Then they are just things I know about God, but they arent things that are real or comforting and I feel myself desperatley swirling around looking for air, looking for water, looking for food, but unable to find any. Unable to be comforted. In those moments I actually think "I could not live like this". It is a true Job moment.

When this happens, which is again, once a year if that, the catalyst that brings God back, that brings the comfort back, is some sort of "truth" I am reminded of. One that while I knew it before, becomes a landmark or a monument in my mind that I can always go back to.

It is when I am having those "moments" that I understand fully why no one can believe in God without a faith that was given to them by God. It is in those moments where my knowledge exists, and my faith dissapears, when God exists as a Theology or a Doctrine in my head, yet not as a relationship that I would trade everything I think I know about God, and everything I have, for the smallest drop of faith that would make everything come back into proper perspective. I can't live without that perspective, nothing is real without it. I can't function without faith. That is why I believe in Him now.

I respect and am blown away by the strength that people have who don't belive in God. You people are 100000 x more brave and intelligent and strong than I am. Yet I want nothing to do with that strength and intelligence and bravery if it puts me in a place where I am seperate from the source of my life. I would rather be a worm, the hated scum of the earth with a drop of faith than the king of it with none.

Jesus Christ stepped out of eternity into human skin not to tell us all about how God is the center of the universe. Its true, but He could have done that with lightning bolts and thunder from heaven. He came into the world surrounded by animal **** and lived in it as a stranger to Royal comforts to tell you and to tell me that WE are the prized pursued object of the almighty Gods affection. That YOU are the center of His universe. I just can't get over that. You and Me.
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