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03-01-2011 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy
Because when I needed God, He was there for me. Many people really never believe in God until they need His help.
I honestly don't understand what this means. How is God there for you, and how do you know it's him?
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03-01-2011 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy
Because when I needed God, He was there for me. Many people really never believe in God until they need His help.
How did God communicate with you?
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03-01-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Alchemist
I honestly don't understand what this means. How is God there for you, and how do you know it's him?
I don't know there is a God, but I have faith. I was put here for a reason and there were a few times in my life when I thought I was going to die. I didn't believe in God after college and while playing poker, but I didn't need God. Until personal things in my life started to go wrong.

For EX drug addicts don't feel they need God before they are addicted. God is hope and sometimes that hope leads you to faith. So even an atheist will believe in God when he has no other option.

If you are happy, rich, and intelligent you may not need God. But some people use hope when they have no where else to turn. If you ask a prisoner in a federal penitentiary if they believe in God they may say no. But if you ask them if they pray to God for freedom, what do you think they would say?
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03-02-2011 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy
So even an atheist will believe in God when he has no other option.
then he would no longer be an atheist, DUCY?

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Originally Posted by Grumpy
If you ask a prisoner in a federal penitentiary if they believe in God they may say no. But if you ask them if they pray to God for freedom, what do you think they would say?
Um, no?
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03-02-2011 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy
I don't know there is a God, but I have faith.
i agree... you don't know cause there is no evidence for his existence, but you have faith... some people have faith that the big foot exists, other believe in alien abductions, fairies, zombies, etc.. same faith as yours...

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Originally Posted by Grumpy
I I was put here for a reason and there were a few times in my life when I thought I was going to die. I didn't believe in God after college and while playing poker, but I didn't need God. Until personal things in my life started to go wrong.

For EX drug addicts don't feel they need God before they are addicted. God is hope and sometimes that hope leads you to faith. So even an atheist will believe in God when he has no other option.

If you are happy, rich, and intelligent you may not need God. But some people use hope when they have no where else to turn. If you ask a prisoner in a federal penitentiary if they believe in God they may say no. But if you ask them if they pray to God for freedom, what do you think they would say?
Ok so, things go wrong, and all of the sudden you feel like nothing can help you but GOD.. happens all the time in the world.. people dying of disease, hunger, accidents, they all invoke the help of GOD, unfortunately for most of them no help comes, for some get lucky and another human intervenes and helps them out, but so far, no one observed GOD coming down from heavens and helping someone out...
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03-02-2011 , 01:04 PM
I don't buy this.

I'd frickin remember God if I saw him. I can still remember less important things. God would be NP.

Joey is either trolling (most likely), or it was just a lucid dream. A recurring theme in lucid dreams is not being able to see the fine details of objects/people. Or see things up close. A common method for realizing you are in a lucid dream, which you can by the way, and even control said dream, is to just look at one's hand and notice how you can't really make it out clearly in detail. A feature such as holes/distortions in the hands would also be consistent with how things can look in a lucid dream. This series describes it all out in detail...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0hDfBvZh0&t=3m0s

Last edited by soontobepro; 03-02-2011 at 01:13 PM.
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03-03-2011 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy

For EX drug addicts don't feel they need God before they are addicted. God is hope and sometimes that hope leads you to faith. So even an atheist will believe in God when he has no other option.
There are atheists in foxholes.
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03-03-2011 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
To say 'there weren't facial features' would be too vague. I saw his frame.. i saw his hands..with holes in them... I remember His eyes and expression.
Well, sorry to rain on your parade but you dreamed it or halucinated it...because Jesus was NOT crusified thru the hands. The romans did it the the wrists because the weight of the body would ripe thru the hands and they would come off the cross. Look it up. Your "Vision" holds no water.
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03-03-2011 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikess2001
Well, sorry to rain on your parade but you dreamed it or halucinated it...because Jesus was NOT crusified thru the hands. The romans did it the the wrists because the weight of the body would ripe thru the hands and they would come off the cross. Look it up. Your "Vision" holds no water.
Romans practiced crucifixions by nailing the palms AND the wrists. The palms have more nerves and is much more painful, while a nail through the wrists supported their weight.
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03-03-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by soontobepro
I don't buy this.

I'd frickin remember God if I saw him. I can still remember less important things. God would be NP.

Joey is either trolling (most likely), or it was just a lucid dream. A recurring theme in lucid dreams is not being able to see the fine details of objects/people. Or see things up close. A common method for realizing you are in a lucid dream, which you can by the way, and even control said dream, is to just look at one's hand and notice how you can't really make it out clearly in detail. A feature such as holes/distortions in the hands would also be consistent with how things can look in a lucid dream. This series describes it all out in detail...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0hDfBvZh0&t=3m0s
How do you explain those that see Him in broad daylight? Whether you believe it happens or not, those that have this experience go through a profound change. This is something much deeper than a lucid dream can cause. It's something that changes a man's heart and mind (literally life changing).

Here's an example of a Muslim that came to America specifically to wage Jihad, but had a similar life changing experience (in broad daylight)...

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/inde.../vod/AL32v1_WS

And experiences like these are no longer rare. You will have to find it harder and harder to discount multiple eyewitness accounts from varying backgrounds.
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03-03-2011 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikess2001
Well, sorry to rain on your parade but you dreamed it or halucinated it...because Jesus was NOT crusified thru the hands. The romans did it the the wrists because the weight of the body would ripe thru the hands and they would come off the cross. Look it up. Your "Vision" holds no water.
Incorrect
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03-04-2011 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by robertg
How do you explain those that see Him in broad daylight?
Different subject in that case...Probably a hallucination, due to a psychotic episode. If not drug related.



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Here's an example of a Muslim that came to America specifically to wage Jihad, but had a similar life changing experience (in broad daylight)...

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/inde.../vod/AL32v1_WS
And experiences like these are no longer rare. You will have to find it harder and harder to discount multiple eyewitness accounts from varying backgrounds.
As I suspected, a psychotic episode is a good explanation. There are lots of psychological forces at work here. Extreme trauma from a car accident. Extreme social pressure from the Christian community he found himself in. He was suicidal, and probably suffering from major depression. Not all that hard to imagine him having a very convenient psychotic episode and insta-conversion. I'm sure it happens all the time, hallucination or no, plenty of Muslims come to the US and become Christian. Doesn't seem like a coincidence to me given the environmental circumstances. I see a lot of videos like this. Splendour posted one about a Muslim guy who fell in love with a Christian girl after coming here (he was into the Jihad stuff too). Not surprising to me that he would convert either. He had every incentive to. His woman, community, and quality of life. There's no shortage of good explanations and reasons for all of these occurrences.

By the way, how vain and egotistical of that man to think that God came to him, while millions are in similar situations and have no such luck. There is probably someone in the world being tortured/raped right now, as I'm typing this, begging God to make it stop. And they get nothing. But that pighead thinks he was entitled over everyone else.
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03-04-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by robertg
How do you explain those that see Him in broad daylight?
There are so many natural explanations for this occurrence. First one needs to eliminate the natural explanations before jumping into supernatural ones.
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