Can you name anything that you think is good that can only come from religion or because a person is religious?

I don't think religious asceticism is necessarily a good thing. And I don't respect religion for shaming people with imaginary places of eternal torture to do it. And no, not all anti theists are hedonistic, I think I've said that a couple times already.

For atheists the "imaginary" places can be thought of as metaphorical. They create their own heaven or hell for themselves and others. So you see God is relevant to them as well. With religious values we are dealing with perfection and of course none of us are perfect nor are we completely evil. The following are undesirable quaities and we should curb them in ourselves.

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Except that's not how the religious see it. It's not a metaphor to them, nor to the children whom they indoctrinate. It's an actual real place. If my friend said he saw UFOs I wouldn't try to translate it into a metaphor.

You forgot to add Stupidity to your list.

Lol.
No he forgot reason. That's a sin for theist

Religion is about perfect behaviour not about allowing all kinds of things. It may not be for you although you should make the effort where you feel you can. Your complaints about education are very trivial. It makes little difference whether or not "evolution" is taught in schools. Nobody really understands that theory anyway. eg with giraffes why didn't their stomachs evolve into being able to digest low-hanging food or stuff on the ground ? Darwin just made it up as he went along.

I have noticed that the people who fixate on things to hate often have more deep-seated problems in their own lives and use attacking religion etc as an inappropriate form of cathartic self-therapy. I am content so I am chilled out about religion and iimmigration and stuff like that.

Confimed troll.

Ho hum my stalking WUM returns. Have you anything to contribute to this discussion ? Whether or not evolution is taught does not affect the overall quality of the education. It has nothing to do with most of the subjects that are taught.

If those things are not religious and those are the things most new atheists are critical of, then it means most new atheists are not attacking religion. Problem solved.

Confirmed Troll

"For atheists"

What part of "for atheists" don't you understand ? I am showing how the morality to be found in religions is also relevant to atheists. The atheist humanists had no problem accepting this when they published their first manifesto. Unfortunately too many modern atheists appear to be more interested in attacking religion than in working out how to live decently and rationality can have no part in that particular crusade.

Stalking? I think if you review your posts you'll find I've had the good sense to avoid them. I'm not missing anything of substance.

"Have you anything to contribute to this discussion ?"

I'll take that as a "No" then.

Evolution is very important to learn about as it has great impact on our lives and it helps demonstrate the scientific process. It is also useful for helping kids learn how to think. I would say that education that ignores evolution is not a very good education.

Maybe you don't understand the theory, which would explain the rest of this quote, but many of us do actually have a decent grasp on it.

It is a tiny part of any education. No-one understands the theory properly. Where are the half-men half-monkeys (the missing link) ? They've been looking for years without success

Are you ****ing kidding me? [Obvious troll is obvious?]

That's the trouble with you people who treat atheism like a fundamentalist religion ; no sense of humour. Someone asks which is the worst religion elsewhere. Well it's proseletysing atheism.

Now you're claiming you were joking? Mmmkay.

Of course I was joking. I have seen monkeys smoking pipes and men eating bananas.

Mmmkay.

It always amazes me how little evolution deniers know about the subject. If I was going to make it my hobby to go online and pretend that evolution isn't a proven fact, I would at least take the hour or two it needs to become moderately conversant with how it works. Still, I suppose "Proud To Be Ignorant" is a good motto for creationists.

I think at some point we just all have to stop replying to him.

Yeah.

I don't deny it I just deny that not teaching evolution "dumbs down" anyone's overall education significantly.


I am not surprised that the atheists on here don't like morality judging by their posts. I'd question what they're doing on here if they are not religious or interested in moral issues. This forum is for "Discussion of God, religion, faith, theology, and spirituality" not for cr*pping on those who want to discuss those things..

Trying so hard to take zumby's advice...