Church is too boring and useless to not sleep in anyway, let alone try not to sleep during an actual mass

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All you have thrown at me was your own assumptions. What I have told you is very much so true. And what is this "true" believer. Just another man made word to discourage and condemn believers.

Every christian who will not be pulled away has definitely had that moment where they had understanding come to them that was not of this world. Ask other christians on here they know.

What does an atheist say when he has no rebuttal. Oh yeah he laughs. Cause he knows it true, yet refuses to believe.

What are you going to ask next? Where do Atheists derive their moral code?

Just because YOU don't understand something your beliefs MUST be true, right?

You should really watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Ci4Rl-LNc

You should probably watch the entire series. It does get old going over the same things over and over with people. Think a little bit.

Atheists have nothing but mass confusion. They have no structure no foundation. They are lost wanderers of the earth. I can't make you believe, I can only hope to make you envy believers so you may one day be saved. However none of this is in my control nor is it in your control. Whether or not god has mercy on you or not is not up to me or you. You can't make yourself believe, neither can I make you believe.

2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

I'm afraid this is true, the reality of it all. None of this is said to scare you for I know not even fear could make you believe.

Eman, nothing can you make you believe in the Easter Bunny, could it? As funny as that sounds to you, that is how I view what you are saying to me.

But to compare the two, is foolish is it not?

Not really. They are both things that one of us don't believe in. I have no doubt there are people in the world who believe in the Easter Bunny.

You don't believe in a LOT of things (in terms of existing without evidence) except your God. Well, there are 6 billion people on this planet, give or take, and that would mean whatever you believe in approx 4.5 billion people on the planet do NOT believe in.

Also, there is not one shred of evidence that your God is real. Just like the Easter Bunny isn't real.

If I came up with ANY example that you could not disprove and I claimed it was a "God", what would you think?

So no. It's not.

I can't see the "light of the gospel" because there is none. And why do you keep quoting some random garbage text written by old racists, homophobes, or sexists 2000 years ago as if that somehow validates your arguments?

Seriously, can Christians ever argue theology without running and hiding behind some fairy tales?

It's so unnerving when adults talk this way with such conviction with no evidence or logic for believing, it's like a brain-washed child.

Most religions including christianity have mostly good moral codes that give people and their neighbours structure and peace, but to assume you can't attain this without an irrational belief in a higher being and living your life by a book written 1700 years ago seems very blinkered. The way you preach and condemn others is probably the way you were taught to believe in your god, and if so, are you truly living a free existence?

Different beliefs work for different people, there's no advantages or envy, just the way you view the world and yourself. Whatever belief makes you a good,happy and peaceful person is what's important.

But they can grow up...

You should stick around and see some of the regular character assassinations that go on around here from the people that claim to be free from religion then.

Then you might have a whole new appreciation for the civilizing influence of religion and how important it is to remind people regularly to act kindly.

Without it people are a lot less nice. Of course being able to hide behind a computer could be a contributing factor.

They ran a thread on here a while back and even many atheists posters agreed that theists were the nicer group.

"nicer" != superior morals

But there are no superior morals that doesn't include it.

Personally I wouldn't credit someone who isn't nice to people with being moral. I think niceness is more important than intelligence in human beings.

That's why Sam Harris' conversational intolerance falls on its face as a method for converting people to atheism.

A lot of people think like I do they just don't post here.

AHAHAHAHA, Go take a flying **** off the nearest cliff. This is coming from the same person who said she would "have zero sympathy for a couple that just lost a closed loved one."

If it actually existed, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the devil.

Wow, you're still discussing Harris's whole "conversational intolerance" thing? You can be polite while being conversationally intolerant, it's about engaging in debate more freely, as we do on political matters.

Another hater making a deceitful misstatement of someone's views.

Try asking the reason before you judge off your lack of understanding. You are eager to judge because you want to hate is the truth.

I have trouble sympathisizing because I think they should already realize their relative is in a better place. If they checked the scriptures they could realize that themselves as the David/Bathsheba/baby story in the OT reveals.

Also I never said "zero sympathy"...Having trouble identifying and having zero sympathy aren't the same thing...but like I said you want to hate so you make false attributions of positions to people.....

No, you can't. Its a contradiction in action.

You are living a lie when you do that.

What good is politeness if you don't really mean it?

Where is the Love?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc

What? So you believe that polite debate about anything is just impossible?

Not really on religion or politics. People become too entrenched to really listen.

Besides it distracts from your ability to focus on God's small quiet voice.

Everyone can hear his voice but not everyone can focus on him long enough for him to come into perspective.

Debating usually serves to conflate one's pride which makes one tune out God further.

This is just as bad, but as I've said before, you are a very clear sociopath, so it shouldn't surprise me that you don't get that.

I feel sorry for you if you've genuinely never had a polite debate about religion or politics. That is disconcerting.

Of course, if you actually believed such things about debate, you wouldn't be here doing it all the time.

We simply do not share your delusion. Is it so hard to understand?

You are like that gay guy who tries to convince a hetero that he's gay.
The hetero guy tells him time and time again, that he's not gay, but the guy says, he simply should try it, that all men are gay and that he can tell he is gay.

Do you understand why this gay guy will never make hetero friends?
You are that gay guy.