I suppose a better question is how do atheists be Spiritual? and a follow up question would be why?
What does "spirituality" bring to the table?
I dont know how to define Spiritual so if you guys can jump in at this point that would be great.
I have and still do from time to time mindfulness meditation, but that to me is not spiritual, thats just sitting in one spot, doing nothing and thinking of nothing for as long as possible. So if you want to describe something like mindfulness meditation, dont bother because I do practice that.
May be it's all about being an atheist, but still belive in 'something'(it could be soul, or some kind of karma) which is not affecting science in any way.
It's personal thing.
They can be, because atheism is a only lack of belief in deities.
That leaves a lot of space for various energies that are divine, white, higher, lower?, healing, all-permeating, light, etc.
In supernatural beings and powers, other planes of existence...
You can believe in reincarnation, in fact, you can believe almost all Buddhist stuff. Except in deities ofc, but they are not the focus of Buddhism at all.
They can be, because atheism is a only lack of belief in deities.
That leaves a lot of space for various energies that are divine, white, higher, lower?, healing, all-permeating, light, etc. In supernatural beings and powers, other planes of existence...
You can believe in reincarnation, in fact, you can believe almost all Buddhist stuff. Except in deities ofc, but they are not the focus of Buddhism at all.
hmm. i disagree.
if you believe in a supernatural being...
it's a Deity.
If we found firm scientific evidence that we lived on after we died, and that ouija boards really did work as designed this would in no way imply the existence of a god.
Converse will hold in general, however some people's specific perceptions of god might make non spiritual theists inconsistent. As implicit spiritualism is bound up in their definition of their god.
No. A leprechaun, if real, would be a being with supernatural powers, but (usually) wouldn't be classified as a deity.
the existence of the deity is subjective, and a moot point.
thank you, asdf.
if a leprechaun, or a witch, were considered to be godly, or divine in nature, or superior to a human, and the believer believes there can be an open communication..then it should be considered a Deity.
imo, possessing supernatural powers means..well, being supernatural, or godly.
whether they are viewed as such by the believer or not seems irrelevant to me.
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So if you want to describe something like mindfulness meditation, dont bother because I do practice that.
Perhaps you are open to some suggestions about your current practice?
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
mindfulness meditation:
1. thats just sitting in one spot,
2. doing nothing
3. and thinking of nothing
4. for as long as possible.
3. It's not about "thinking of nothing". That is still thinking. Observe the thoughts. Observe engaging them. Observe not engaging them. What happens when you don't grasp them? What happens when you don't take identity from them? Are they you? Or are they thoughts?
1/2. It's not necessarily about "doing nothing" in "one spot". Can you use the bathroom, wash your hands, go make a sandwich, watch TV, walk on the lawn, etc without taking thought? You'll likely be shocked when you awaken to how 98% of thought is unnecessary and is the cause of all your suffering.
4. It doesn't have to be "as long as possible". Just this moment will do.
Sacred is a pretty broad term and could encompass a number of non-supernatural beliefs. Regardless, one could be an atheist and believe in the supernatural, just not actually deities.
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It's not as though logical inconsistency or cognitive dissonance is confined solely to theists, however tempting it might be to imagine it is. Ultimately humans have evolved with a susceptability to magical thinking and theists' meat computers are not qualitatively different organs to atheists'.
Most people that got to the point of saying they were "atheists" are also "asupernaturalists". However, many people who say they don't believe in the "christian god" are indeed supernaturalists.
I see these people as half-way converts to atheism. They're not quite complete atheists yet, so they cling onto whatever mysticism they can. Sooner or later, they drop these beliefs too.
I see these people as half-way converts to atheism. They're not quite complete atheists yet, so they cling onto whatever mysticism they can. Sooner or later, they drop these beliefs too.
hey veeddzz, did you hear the one about the short-sighted circumsiser?
He got the sack. lol
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a label's just a label.
it's not anywhere near serious in the grand scheme of things, no matter how hard or long people cling to their belief or non-belief..
if one wishes to confine themselves to such concepts, so be it..
i for one, will not be judging, as severely "unchurched" as i am.
SBNR is a big step towards liberation from the mental enslavement of dogma.
it is of no surprise to me that many have chosen to associate with the term.