Provide some evidence that the official Catholic position is that gambling is approved of rather than just tolerated. I've never seen it.

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2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.

Cwoc your ignorance is insulting to educated people all over the world. Please take your own advice and stop being you immediately! If you have respect for others you won't have any problem doing this.

batair wins: flawless victory.

Maybe... but i feel like this.

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

Batair, a couple of hours from now

I suppose it's similar to drinking alcohol then.

Really? Nowhere in there does it say that it discourages gambling except in certain situations. We should have expected you to intentionally misread that, though, since it contradicts what you've been saying.

Wumming?

Learn the English language and try to use it.

Nope you are doing it wrong again. But i think ill take Joshua's advice. Have fun.

The whole thing is worded in negative terms !

Now you've reached a new low you're wumming about the word wumming.

Ill have to watch that again its been awhile.

Classic movie. Sequel was terribad though.

It has to be said the Cathoic church has become soft on morality. I guess it is no longer possible to hold the line.

Trolls gonna troll...

It says that gambling isn't bad in itself, but is bad in these situations, and then lists when it's wrong. Surely you didn't actually have trouble comprehending that from such a short paragraph?

What you're not going to stop ? It's just as well I don't take you seriously then.

But it can be. I think it's horribly soft myself. How old is this catechism ? I believe the actual "thrill" felt when gambling is wrong so ALL gambling is bad. It's funny that an atheist like me has a higher sense of morality than the church. That's the politics of organised religions I guess. They have to pander to masses who are becoming increasingly debauched.

You said gambling was immoral and thought that the Catholic Church would agree. You were found to be wrong. You now are simultaneously doing 3 things:

1) Shifting goal posts. Instead of asking if gambling is immoral, you switch it to: gambling CAN be immoral. Two very different statements. You don't get away from being wrong on the first just because you are now claiming the second.

2) Rationalizing that the church only says this for political reasons.

3) Deciding that you are the ultimate moral authority, no matter what the Vatican says. Which only makes sense if you are the greatest, most moral person on earth. Which leads me to 2 questions: how do you decide what is moral and what is immoral? and how can you really think so highly of yourself?

See, this is the actually important part. You don't see that people in multiple forums here have problems with you because you are the bad poster. You instead still view yourself as perfect, and so anyone having a problem with you is obviously the one in the wrong. You ignore arguments (or shift them as above) when shown to be wrong because it's not possible that someone as great as you is ever wrong. I'm pretty sure only 2 types of people can post with such arrogance: trolls, and narcissists. If you're the former, you've annoyed us enough, just go away. If you're the latter, you'll get upset at this "personal attack" and eventually you'll get banned for annoying too many people and driving discussion too far off topic. It already happened at least once in the politics forum.

I said I thought that any priest would advise against it. I don't know whether this is actually true in practice but I thought it was and any priest who encourages gambling gets the thumbs down from me.

What happened ? I post on there quite happily.

Try to be more tolerant of people with a traditional sense of morality eg sex outside of marriage is wrong, drinking and gambling are wrong etc etc.

You have got to admit that the Christian churches have become soft on morality in response to public demand. In England they do not even describe unmarried cohabiting couples as "living in sin" any more.

Yes I do object to your general personal attack. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I did it to you but that's not my style.

Did you not get banned once because of some posts in politics? Maybe I was wrong and it was just that the thread got locked after you started posting in it.

What do you mean by "be more tolerant?" What am I doing to show intolerance to your morality? If anything, it's people like you who are trying to enforce your sense of morality onto all people, including people like me who have a somewhat different set of morals. People like you are the ones who are intolerant and want to force me to behave as they want to behave.

I debate reasonably and do not display the same sense of ignorance and arrogance as you do, so no one would actually make such a post direct towards me. In fact, my posting has been praised on more than one occasion. Has that ever happened to you?

I thought Lawnmower Man was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, so the chances of me watching the sequel are slim.

Unless it's a sort of anti-Lawnmower Man...that might be good.

1. No. If you are going to accuse me of something you are going to have to be more specific. I don't recall any of this. Threads get locked for all kinds of reasons.

2. Don't launch personal attacks like you've just done. I don't think it's intolerant to raise counterarguments to posters who are trying to represent activities like gambling as moral. That's the point of a discussion board.

3. You are not being very reasonable with me.

It is not my intenton to upset people but I will defend my own set of morals however untrendy they have become in recent times.

The gay marriage thread was locked only after you got in there and, like here, forced the conversation to go in circles.

I don't recall attacking you personally for your moral views, so I don't see where the intolerance claim is coming from. But like I said, there are people out there who view sex and gambling as immoral and are trying to prevent us all from partaking in those activities even if we think they are moral. That is intolerance.

You are not a reasonable person. There is no way to be reasonable with you.