http://digg.com/d31KA6O

any Christians care to give their thoughts on this?

do you have any more or less respect for Obama for doing this?

I think it's great. ANY group should be able to do this... gays, atheist... even gay atheist.

As far as the meeting went...I have this to add:
The atheist pointed out that many “faith-based” child care centers don’t have to meet health and safety standards that everyone else must meet. Expecting them to clean? But, won’t God keep the kids safe from E.coli? -- This is simply wrong and makes them look stupid. Do you really believe that faith based child care centers don't have to meet the same standards as any other child care center?

Proselytizing in the Military: Supported by news headlines about “Jesus Rifles”, SCA discussed their concerns about the increase in Christian evangelicals in the military and their self-described “duty” to spread the word of “god”. --- I guess they didn't like the weapons with scriptures written on them. If an atheist company won the bid to provide these weapons and wanted to put "There is no God" on the weapons...I bet they would be screaming "Freedom of Speech" or something like that. My opinion is that the weapons shouldn't have anything on them at all... except maybe GET SOME!!! DIE MOTHER F**KER !

Office of Faith-Based Initiatives: The SCA commented that the Obama administration’s expansion of Bush, Jr’s Office of Faith-Based Initiatives unconstitutionally funnels the taxes of American citizens to religious organizations.
I'm not going to pretend I know what this is about. Proof please? What organization are they referring to?

To sum it up...I think any group has the right to meet with the government.
Not hate mongers though.... like the KKK.

this is simply wrong, and makes you look stupid.

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/childcare...usexempt.shtml

it took 2 minutes in google to find the actual regulation on the books. 12 states have similar laws that exempt child care facilities from various licensing regulations.

Those aren't the only faith based child care facilities. there are many in our area that are not within a church but are still faith based and they follow the same guidelines every other child care center does.
"conducting regularly scheduled classes, courses of study, or educational programs accredited by, or by a member of, an organization which publishes and requires compliance with its standards for health, safety, and sanitation."

Do you even read what you post?


You should sit this one out.

i honestly have no idea why i ever respond to you.

Thank you !


PLEASE put me on ignore... I seriously BEG you.

This is no level...I am begging you to please ignore me.

...but some faith-based centers get an exception, and it's entirely because they are within churches.

I work in child care legislation, so if you want to discuss this we can go ahead. But there's no question that there is a reduction of standards for many faith-based centers.

If this is true (which I am sure you know what you are talking about) then I think that the only thing worse then this is that "christians" are getting made at people bringing this to the attention of people.

"which publishes and requires compliance with its standards for health, safety, and sanitation."


Am I the only one who can see that?
If any atheist owned child care facility did this...they would get the same deal. The government isn't saying "Ehhh...you Christians don't have to mop the floor or sanitize things...but you atheist had better!"
That's what the implication is here.

Or maybe they dont like things like this.

First, the biblical quotes on the bibles were done without the militarys knowledge. Second, you would be forced to use these weapons if you were in the marines, whether or not you were a christian.

The prosletyizing that they are referring to is people handing out bible tracts to people in afghanistan and iraq. These countries do have laws against such actions. Second, this fuels further anger from the populace and makes it easier to believe the Taliban that this is a war against Islam. Carrying a gun and handing out bibles can be easily seen as an affront to ones faith if you are not a christian. The proseltyizing problem is a fairly new problem inside the military.

There is another issue, which is officers attempting to impose their beliefs upon others, including using threats and punishments. Here is an example.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26atheist.html


The united states gives funding to faith based organizations, such as churches, to provide services. You can read about some of the controversies with the link below. Each controversy listed provides at least one source that you can access and read further up on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_H...ty_Initiatives

Yea...I bet they don't like that either.

They are not required inspections because they must comply with their own rules, that they 'enforce'? There is no real check on them in this case. Also, the standards may not be up to par with what the Federal Government requires.

lol? Are you even reading the whole passage or just taking out key words and extrapolating at will?

Here is the full passage:

So the exception to the state law applies for centers within churches. It also applies to parochial schools' educational programs that have been accredited by organizations that require compliance on some minimum of standards - NOT the same minimum enforced for every other center. How is this relevant, let alone some kind of silver bullet argument? The point is that there is a gap in treating secular and religious institutions here, and it's unquestionably more lax when it comes to the religious centers.

correct. the next line in the reg reads...

yes, minimum requirements. these are not the same as what other facilities are held to (edit: since they are bound to state regs, and not just local ones.)

No, you're reading this wrong.

This is a state law. That line is saying that while these institutions are exempt from the state regulations, local regulations still apply.

FWIW local regulations on child care centers are almost always next to nothing, though I can't speak to Florida specifically.

another thread exemplifying why its completely pointless to respond to JD. Why you guys still do it is a testament to your unshakable patience and good temper. Not sure how much longer you can keep it up though.

umm...i understood this

OK, fair enough, just thought you were saying that those regulations were different for religious/secular institutions when they aren't (unless local regulations grant the same exception).

Yes....he is.

i just meant other facilities dont get the exemption from state regs.

(and i dunno about local regs either, but would it really be surprising?)

Well he might not have been. But you definitely are.

That's pretty much what he said.

im convinced you post in RGT just to get reactions out of people. youre clearly uninterested in anything resembling an actual discussion.

I taught remedial math at the university where I got my masters. I already know how strong my temper and patience are.