You just did.

I said you're getting more and more like her everyday.

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Oddly enough, the atheists might be right in a way.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

If you can't see or know the Spirit, He might as well be nonexistent. But in order to know the Spirit, you must have God's ways confirmed inside of you. It's funny the way it works, that the gospel message itself judges a man, and not so much God. The message is either agreeable to you and it finds root in your heart, or your heart is hardened to it, which allows you ample intellectual room to reject it. In the end, you are either a child of the light or you are not.

I wonder how many here reject God's ways because they have embraced a secular, politically-grounded alternative? My opinion is that most fit this bill.

In fact, the very next verses in that text seems to confirm what I am saying. "The Word" is stressed and repeated by Jesus in order to answer the question.

Haven't you learned that quoting the Bible will get you nowhere?

Most every atheist rejects God in exactly the same way they reject the Lockness Monster: lack of evidence. And I'm pretty sure no atheist's atheism is politically-grounded (whatever that means).

Yeah thats it. We dont believe in God because we dont want to follow Gods rules. Oh wait..that means we believe in God. I like how that works.

You are not understanding what I am saying. Belief in God is not as important as belief in God's ways.

Pedantic correction.

I've been on this forum long enough to know that almost every atheist here leans in the same direction politically. I ran with the atheist crowd for 20 years. To say otherwise is just LOL.

But it's not a political matter at the root. The heart of the matter is that the gospel does not agree with your heart, or soul. The Word has no place in you.

Also, I cannot see your replies unless someone quotes you.

You and Kirk Cameron

I guess I'll give you some lols, because I'll say otherwise. There are a lot of libertarians and anarchists, a fair number of socialists, and lots of liberals among 2p2's atheists. I don't know how many conservatives there are, but I know a few IRL--not that uncommon.

C'mon man. It's just me and you here talking. That was a nifty, well-crafted response.

You admit that there are "lots" of liberals and a "fair number" of socialists, but then there are "a lot" of libertarians, and conservatives are "common." Huh?

What are we tallking about?

If there are 100 trillion red monkeys, and 1% of them have blue eyes, then there are "lots" of blue-eyed monkeys. There are a "fair number" of them. But do most red monkeys have blue eyes?

I stand by my lol.

This is what I'm talking about. You said that almost every atheist on 2p2 leans in the same direction politically, and that to claim otherwise was laughable. I was claiming that your assertion was wrong. This is mostly anecdotal, but my guess, based on my own 2p2 political discussions and the demographics of poker players and internet forum participants, is that libertarians and socialists are overrepresented among 2p2 atheists compared to the national averages in the U.S. Does that make sense?

Doggg there is a high number of libertarians and socialists on 2+2. No doubt about it... A few years back libertarianism posts were cropping up like crazy on here...

I think you're statement a few days ago that you don't need to engage atheists was right.

Quote from Dr. Jones:

Many have inaccurately defined the "fruit" in terms of winning converts to Christ. While this may be a secondary goal, the primary fruit is defined in Gal. 5:22, 23,

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

It is about manifesting the character of Jesus Christ. We read in 1 John 2:6,

6 The one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/f...le.cfm?AID=168



Colossians 2:8

Contemporary English Version (CEV)


8 Don’t let anyone fool you by using senseless arguments. These arguments may sound wise, but they are only human teachings. They come from the powers of this world[a] and not from Christ.

Yeah i get it. I was just making my cookie cutter response this.

"I wonder how many here reject God's ways because they have embraced a secular, politically-grounded alternative? My opinion is that most fit this bill."

This will work better.

I reject Gods ways because i want to be a sinner and follow secular ways. This still means i believe in God.


Which is convenient and necessary for those who need to lay blame on the rejecter. Non belief can have problems when it comes to salvation. Some need a rejection.



Ironically it also makes atheism obsolete and non existent. Really what you have is a problem with rejecting theists every time you use the word atheist. So ill keep that in mind when you use the word.

Define "red monkey".

God so much false alternative fallacy going on in this post it hurts.

I just like how the op cites horribly destructive wars and conquests, yielding forced conversions and trampling of human rights as evidence of religion's great role in history. My second favorite part is how it is implied that a secular society must be oppressive and lack creativity because, well no reason is given, that's just what happens with atheists. You've presented some points exhibiting massive lapses in inductive reasoning, especially when holding up the Soviet Union as representative of what Atheistic societies will achieve.