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02-11-2010 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
"family values" is in quotes for obvious reasons. and yes, most people with at least half a brain are against the "war on drugs", again, for obvious reasons.
Right, I'm not against families having values (though not all families will choose the same values!), but turning family values into a political issue is ridiculous. And the war on drugs is a concept that could only exist in a police state.
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02-11-2010 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
I'm probably unusual among forum atheists in this regard, but I'd tend to go the other way. Not all, but a fair number of theists want the government out of their lives as much as possible. So I side with them politically. Unless they're trying to enforce "family values", pass laws against stem cell research, gambling, ramp up the war on drugs... Ok, I've got a lot of reservations on this. But overall it seems like theists are somewhat more likely to advocate limited government than atheists. Once the Republicans gain the upper hand on the Democrats, I might flip flop.
I think you're accurate in your assessment about theists advocating limited government. Liberalism seems to foster more government programs.

I wonder how the ACers reconcile their liberalism with the increased government activity. Doesn't an increase in goverment activity make it more unlikely that anarcho-capitalism can be achieved? I suppose there's always the revolt of the masses.
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02-11-2010 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
The war on drugs has been a complete failure. Since it began, drug use has skyrocketed. It is easier for a 16 year old kid to score drugs than to get alcohol. Prohibition didn't work either.

As for the enforcement of family values, we can consider several key issues.

Banning Online gambling has been promoted as suppporting 'family values'
Censorship in the media
Gay marriage
abstinence only education. The abstinence only education does not teach proper condom use, lies about its effectiveness, and has shown to increase std and teen pregnancy rates.


You have something against freedom of speech, equal rights, and prevention of disease and unwanted pregnancy?
Nope...just still don't understand your views on the war on drugs. So crack, heroin and cheese should be legalized?
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02-11-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I think you're accurate in your assessment about theists advocating limited government. Liberalism seems to foster more government programs.

I wonder how the ACers reconcile their liberalism with the increased government activity. Doesn't an increase in goverment activity make it more unlikely that anarcho-capitalism can be achieved? I suppose there's always the revolt of the masses.
You've got me very confused here. Anarcho-capitalists don't want government, period. I wouldn't call them liberals either, they certainly don't support the government programs liberals/progressives favor (since they don't support government programs at all). I just don't understand what connections you're trying to make.
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02-11-2010 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Nope...just still don't understand your views on the war on drugs. So crack, heroin and cheese should be legalized?
Aye, and I don't even know what drug "cheese" refers to, but if somebody wants to take it, that's their business as far as I'm concerned.
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02-11-2010 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
You've got me very confused here. Anarcho-capitalists don't want government, period. I wouldn't call them liberals either, they certainly don't support the government programs liberals/progressives favor (since they don't support government programs at all). I just don't understand what connections you're trying to make.
So you're saying ACers aren't liberals.

I don't pay that much attention to AC in general but it was my impression they were liberals.
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02-11-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Aye, and I don't even know what drug "cheese" refers to, but if somebody wants to take it, that's their business as far as I'm concerned.
It's a mixture of OTC cold medicine and heroin....kills teenagers.
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02-11-2010 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
It's a mixture of OTC cold medicine and heroin....kills teenagers.
Alcohol kills, ban it.
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02-11-2010 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Aye, and I don't even know what drug "cheese" refers to, but if somebody wants to take it, that's their business as far as I'm concerned.
Oh....and after seeing the quote.... apparently dknight thinks you have half a brain.

(I don't think that played out like he wanted it to....LOL)
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02-11-2010 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Oh....and after seeing the quote.... apparently dknight thinks you don't have half a brain.

(I don't think that played out like he wanted it to....LOL)
since you wont actually see this: you are an idiot.
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02-11-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
So you're saying ACers aren't liberals.

I don't pay that much attention to AC in general but it was my impression they were liberals.
Haha, not at all! Here's the wiki. I don't consider myself an ACist but I'm pretty close ideologically, I'm for minimal government. Just not so sure about that last step of eliminating the government entirely, although if I thought there was a feasible way to achieve that and not have utter chaos result, I could easily be converted.
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02-11-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
So you're saying ACers aren't liberals.

I don't pay that much attention to AC in general but it was my impression they were liberals.
Actually I wasn't far off. Wiki says Classical Liberalism is the primary influence with the longest history on Anarcho-Capitalist theory.

See: Classical liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho...cal_liberalism
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02-11-2010 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Alcohol kills, ban it.
Alcohol doesn't kill people... I do.
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02-11-2010 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Alcohol doesn't kill people... I do.
Ok, then you should be banned to.
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02-11-2010 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Actually I wasn't far off. Wiki says Classical Liberalism is the primary influence with the longest history on Anarcho-Capitalist theory.

See: Classical liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho...cal_liberalism
Yeah it's pretty funny how a term that originally stood for limited government, now stands for big government. That's politics.
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02-11-2010 , 09:28 PM
I am for legalization of drugs. No, I do not do any illegal drugs. I drink alcohol, but in moderation. I would not do any other drugs. Just not interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/op...14kristof.html

that article can explain why the war on drugs needs to be ended.
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02-11-2010 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
I am for legalization of drugs. No, I do not do any illegal drugs. I drink alcohol, but in moderation. I would not do any other drugs. Just not interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/op...14kristof.html

that article can explain why the war on drugs needs to be ended.
"This year marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon’s start of the war on drugs, and it now appears that drugs have won."

Haven't read the whole article yet, but that first sentence is outstanding.
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02-11-2010 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Ok, then you should be banned to.
hurtful
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02-11-2010 , 09:41 PM
I kid.
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02-11-2010 , 09:55 PM
dta
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02-11-2010 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Yeah it's pretty funny how a term that originally stood for limited government, now stands for big government. That's politics.
That's US politics. You have no idea how LOL it is for non-Americans (or me, at least) to hear about 'These big-government liberals'. 'Liberals' in America would mostly be called 'Social Democrats' or similar in WE. Probably 'Social Democrat' sounds a little too much like 'Socialist', so maybe that's part of the reason.

I suppose it's no weirder than talk of 'Conservative reforms', really. Still gives me a chuckle, though.

Grunching the OP: I don't have a policy, so I guess "No," by default, I don't 'distrust theists'.
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02-12-2010 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Haha, not at all! Here's the wiki. I don't consider myself an ACist but I'm pretty close ideologically, I'm for minimal government. Just not so sure about that last step of eliminating the government entirely, although if I thought there was a feasible way to achieve that and not have utter chaos result, I could easily be converted.
Libertarians are called liberals by those who don't like liberals, and conservatives by those who don't like conservatives. I'm consistently attacked as a "typical liberal" and also as a "typical conservative." I am also frequently accused of being Republican, or Democrat.

I've always felt that atheists are much more libertarian than Christians, incidentally. I see theists as being big-government types by and large, and very authoritarian in their thinking even when they aren't. If you have statistics that show theists are really for more limited government than atheists, I'd be interested to see them.
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02-12-2010 , 11:03 AM
i think most all of them are hypocrites, but i don't distrust them.
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02-12-2010 , 03:38 PM
If a mormon had a pink v neck t shirt on I would 100% distrust them, same with a atheist. If you put a pink vneck on my mother, id probably distrust her.

I dont distrust people on there religious stance , no matter how anti-religious I am. However I instantly distrust people on the crappy fashion trends they go by. Im going to the hell.
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02-12-2010 , 09:02 PM
see you there lol
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