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all you said is that there are things we don't know yet, so how can anyone know that there isn't a god, right?

i mean commmmmmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn man

so close! you just couldn't resist putting him down in return for the harsh words he had for you, could you? a bit more subtle, but ultimately very pathetic.

I love it when atheists who don't have a clue about Scripture try and quote it as if it should mean to us what they think it should mean. This:

..is an entirely correct statement and I could have written it as easily.

BrokeDonk acting like he knows anything about theology: big fail.

So...

you said that a theist can believe that more than one religion is correct and i pointed out that Christianity does not allow that belief that you stated. i'm not pretending to "know" anything and especially not more than any theist, i just found that what you said contradicted your religion and i pointed it out for clarification (sure, in a rather blunt manner)

If he/she did say "a theist can believe more than one religion" then you are correct, the supposed christian or any real believing Christian who has knows anything about the bible ACCURATELY would never say such a stupid comment.

I have said it over and over again that there are so many posers on here who say they are believers, but then they turn right around and say something that the bible does not say.

I would like to qualify my statement though, many people do not understand that there are certains things written to specific groups of people and specific times that do not apply to others at other times.

This is what confuses so many, especially the average believer and it also adds fuel to the fire when a atheist trys to use a verse or passage that is not applicable to people today.

relax.

I merely pointed out that OP's position is self-defeating. This makes no implications about the existence or non-existence of God. Rather, it points to the absurdity of OP. If you intend to challenge my position on the merits of the claim, it's in the post.

my favorite aspect of pletho, honestly. so baller just destroying other Christians

All you said was that not everything that is true can be tested etc.. you never gave any examples of what you are talking about either.
OP is asking for a scientific reason for you belief and I myself am looking for some evidence as to why the God you have chosen to worship is the right one?

The word of God is for doctrine, reproof and correction, when someone teached error like that or believes error like that they need doctrine, reproof and correction, if they still refuse to believe, then thats on their own shoulders.

Just hiding on the side and pretending they are right when they are wrong is not loving them, loving someone is many times telling them when they are wrong for their own good, I never am intentially wanting to bash someone at all, its just that the majority of beleivers here are so wrong on so many subjects.

I hold back 99% of the time or I would be jumping in every thread to correct them, I do not have the time for that, not do they really care to hear it usually. But at times for others sake also I do say something.

Sorry if me doing the word makes you feel better.

well I'm not sure of the statement you made that you keep referring to, can you link the thread please?

If you are talking about God and not in a religious sense, how are you defining 'God'? I take it you are not a member of any particular denomination?

Pletho, if I was religious I honestly would rather be like you, why do you think so many Christians have there own personal interpretation of the Bible that often 'fit's in' with their views and lifestyle?

i think you just answered your own question. it appears that pletho isn't necessarily concerned with what makes him "feel all warm and fuzzy inside", but rather what he feels is the truth. i guess with that respect he's more like an atheist :sinister laugh:. and i guess that would also make him a true christian whereas the rest are not.

Correct. I'm trying to show OP the futility of this approach to knowledge by showing how it's self-defeating to his own understanding of knowledge. If he insists on his self-defeating theory of knowledge as the only knowledge he will accept, then there's literally nothing of value to show him.

I'm asking for OP to give a scientific reason for his belief.

Do you qualify the term "evidence" in the same way that OP does?

lolzamillion

You pointed out "Christianity does not allow that belief?" Please provide citation from some religion that says this and citation from my religion that says this.

Commandment #1

Well OP is isn't claiming a belief as such, it is asking for theists to backup their claims with evidence of a particular God, among the abuse.

I think evidence should be empirical to a degree, which is why I'm interested in the truths you mention that cannot be empirically tested. Basically I think there is a difference between scientific truth and philosophical truth.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

1. I am the LORD your God:
you shall not have
strange Gods before me.


I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.
you shall not have
strange Gods before me.
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.

Now you might be able to get around this on a technicality by saying you keep your God first. But someone who does hold their God/Gods above the biblical one can't. Well until you co-opt their God/Gods and turn him into your own.

the statement that the 'Christian God' doesn't allow any other gods aside from him should be modified to the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God doesn't allow any other gods.

I disagree:

But regardless, I think it's apparent that the bolded statement is not testable under the means provided by OP.

I agree.

I don't subscribe to the notion that people are somehow "argued" into faith, either scientifically or philosophically (although I believe that faith can be supported using such schemes). Here, I mean faith = trust based on knowledge.

As knowledge precedes faith, I can direct you to a number of writings by Christian authors who lay out the evidentiary arguments. I do not believe that reading such books will lead you to faith in that I don't expect anyone to read such a book and conclude "Jesus is Lord." But if you're looking for evidence, Lee Strobel's writings are a decent start. I've never read McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" but I've heard that it's also pretty good.

There's a website called "Stand to Reason" that has a number of thoughtfully written articles, which don't directly address claims of evidence, but provides more of a worldview/philosophical arguments of Chrsitianity.

But ultimately, I believe that true faith is found in and through community. If you know some Christians who you feel are moderately stable in their faith, ask them questions. If you don't, go find some. I don't think Christian faith works very well from the comfort of your own home.

its ironic that your "answer" (one that you seem to think was rather /thread-ish) was, actually, the exact type of "answer" that seems to frustrate OP so much.

why don't you just stay out of threads like this is the only thing you're going to do is post about how god isn't testable, so /thread...?

Right. So, oddly enough this is the formula for brainwashing! If you don't hang around those who are brainwashed and believe something, chances are you yourself aren't going to believe whatever it is those that are brainwashed do.

And in this case, Aaron, you've admitted that you don't believe reading about the evidence is going to give most people "true faith", as you put it.

So you're telling people to go get brainwashed. There is no way around it. You're admitting there is no evidence (otherwise you wouldn't refer us to books others have written, etc), but you're still advocating trying to believe, and you're admitting the only way to get that done is to find others to hang with that already believe.

/christianity

If it frustrates OP, it doesn't bother me at all. Do you think I intended to answer OP's challenge directly after it's clearly established that he can't even hold up his own understanding of knowledge under that standard?

There's much more going on here than just "God is not testable." There are also things like "'everything is testable' is not testable."

Why do people bother posting these threads in the first place?