In heaven you can't rebel. The Angels did not have the Beatific vision of God. There's no contradiction if you actually try to understand the concept, yet it is obvious you do not.

The traditional view is that the Angels were revealed God's plan and told to worship Jesus Christ. Some didn't want to worship a human because He is flesh and spirit is higher than flesh, with Satan leading the rebellion. Some think not even angels can enter heaven without Christ first opening the way.

Okay. I'm not one of those Christians, nor are the other billion Catholics in the world.

If I'm debating with you, I'm not going to take a claim you don't make and force you to take it unless I'm trying to be dishonest.

I am stating a fact though.. There are plenty of Christians who take that view... Who's to say who is right, them or you?

Yeah, I mean anything can be made up when it comes to stories that cannot be confirmed... One can come up with billion other excuses in order to make the contradictions disappear...

Try reading your 6 points from that post as if you weren't a Christian and you might see just how in-group they are. Even if you believe that non-Christians can go to heaven (as others are starting to do now in order to avoid contradictions), you probably also believe that it's EASIER for a Christian...which is the only point I made. People who aren't Christians should not have a more difficult time getting a "good" afterlife simply because of where they were born or how their brain works.

I stand by my post. If you think the above is just, then you have a warped sense of justice. Is it really a non-Christian's fault that they don't accept the ludicrous claims you do?

Do catholics believe Bin Laden and Hitler will go to heaven?

What about a mentally deranged guy that kills someone? Would he go to heaven or hell?

You claim it's easier for Christians to get into heaven, but noone knows for sure. Christians have the sacraments and know the truth... but the Bible says 'To whom much is given much is expected." No one knows how hard/easy it is to get into heaven, only that everyone has a fair chance.

Secondly, even if Christians had a better chance of getting into heaven... any chance of getting into heaven is more than we deserve. Since we all deserve damnation for our sins, if God chooses to elect a few to heaven and save them, it is not unjust. It would be just to leave us all to die, but He conceived of a method in which to save us (through Christ). I think we have a different concept of what is due to us in this day; the Jews certainly felt they were due nothing from God and today we seem to think we are due everything.


Bin Laden and Hitler could go to heaven if they sincerely repented before death.

A person sins mortally if three conditions are present:
1. Full knowledge
2. Full consent
3. Grave matter.

A mentally deranged matter may not have knowledge that killing is a sin or not have had consent in his actions since he is deranged, so his sin may not be deadly (mortal).

I didn't claim anything. I said that is what you probably believe. If that is not what you believe, then correct me instead of attacking a belief I don't hold.

It's nice to see that your sense of benevolence is equally as warped as your sense of justice.

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BRB.

Dont drop the brown cid or you might imagine the other place.