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Although in line with many stories in the Gospels and probably primitive, most scholars argue that it was "certainly not part of the original text of St John's Gospel."

It is not found in its canonical place in any of the earliest surviving Greek Gospel manuscripts; neither in the two 3rd century papyrus witnesses to John - P66 and P75; nor in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus.

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02-22-2011 , 01:04 PM

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That story was added later.

Although in line with many stories in the Gospels and probably primitive, most scholars argue that it was "certainly not part of the original text of St John's Gospel."

It is not found in its canonical place in any of the earliest surviving Greek Gospel manuscripts; neither in the two 3rd century papyrus witnesses to John - P66 and P75; nor in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus.

You don't think there was a quantitative difference in the savagery of the world before and after Jesus' Resurrection?

What do you think a pre-Jesus world would have been like? There was no advent of the Holy Spirit into the world prior to the day of Pentecost though there were instances of people like the prophets who had contact with the Holy Spirit.

Would you like to guess at the level of civility/gentleness of people in the pre-Pentecostal days versus the current Pentecostal days?

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02-22-2011 , 03:40 PM

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Depends. Are we in an office building in America, or in a Ugandan village?

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02-22-2011 , 03:47 PM

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Depends. Are we in an office building in America, or in a Ugandan village?

The individual has Holy Spirit help now that he didn't have before Jesus Christ.

Infanticide was practiced among the ancient Spartans until Christianity did away with the practice.

Some people think the Holy Spirit assists with us obtaining the gentler "almost feminine" virtues like humility.

Humility was almost non-existent in the ancient world. It wasn't a prized virtue like it is today.

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02-22-2011 , 04:00 PM

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You don't think there was a quantitative difference in the savagery of the world before and after Jesus' Resurrection?

Christians killing Christians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

Plus the individual murders of "Heretics".

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02-22-2011 , 04:12 PM

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The individual has Holy Spirit help now that he didn't have before Jesus Christ.

Ok.

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Infanticide was practiced among the ancient Spartans until Christianity did away with the practice.

And you can confirm no other cultures practice infanticide today? Are there any non-Spartan cultures which formerly practiced infanticide but do not today? And did Christian influences contribute to cessation?

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Some people think the Holy Spirit assists with us obtaining the gentler "almost feminine" virtues like humility.

The Holy Spirit influences Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists? American Christianity 'Humility' would lose the Pepsi Challenge to many other religions.

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Humility was almost non-existent in the ancient world. It wasn't a prized virtue like it is today.

You need to prove this. Both as non-existent in the ancient world, and as a prized virtue today.

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02-22-2011 , 05:01 PM

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Ok.

And you can confirm no other cultures practice infanticide today? Are there any non-Spartan cultures which formerly practiced infanticide but do not today? And did Christian influences contribute to cessation?

You can wiki infanticide Judaism and Christianity both helped wipe it out. It was a worldwide practice.

The Holy Spirit influences Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists? American Christianity 'Humility' would lose the Pepsi Challenge to many other religions.

Its something I read about 3 or 4 years ago so I don't have the link any longer. I don't know if the Holy Spirit is restricted to Christians. We just have the easiest advantage of obtaining help from the scriptures...IIRC Cyrus in the OT was a pagan yet was influenced by spirits as were other people.

You need to prove this. Both as non-existent in the ancient world, and as a prized virtue today.

Again, I believe I read this several years back on the Net researching Christian history. But you may be able to google the explanation.

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02-23-2011 , 12:38 AM

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You really know nothing about ancient cultures.

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02-23-2011 , 08:27 AM

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Well the last instruction was to cast the first stone if you were sinless.

Of course if you read Garganta's Is Gay Prejudice Taught in the Bible you might be able to stop piggybacking your atheism off of the gay rights movement and understand the two as separate issues. Of course you need some context and to understand that God's Prime Directive to his people in Genesis was to go out and multiply:
http://gayprejudice.com/GayPrejudice.pdf

I doubt the Prime Directive changed much under Paul as Paul was evangelizing in a Greek culture and his main objective would be to obtain followers for the new work God was doing through the New Covenant. Again note the protagonist of the new work said "He who is without sin cast the first stone".

What should I do if god asks me to kill anyone? ignore it? or do it? I guess I will ask him what will happen if i don't. But anyway i am worry for noting, he only asked me to write to book, I just hope his wishes stay within our man made laws.

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02-23-2011 , 01:02 PM

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Pooter, how much asian sex did god tell you to include in the book? Because if the answer is "a lot" I may just purchase it.

In fact, might I suggest you include a chapter where god has sex with an asian woman? Perferably as some sort of animal/human hybrid. It worked for the greeks.

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02-23-2011 , 02:57 PM

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I once did drugs and went crazy. I thought I saw God in the geometry of a corner of my room. It was a feeling of great fear and a feeling of regret for all my "sins" and it was painful and beautiful all at the same time. I thought I was in Hell. When I woke up I thought I was reborn and came back from Hell to redeem myself. I don't know what it was but I think it was just the drugs and some topics me and my roommate were talking about a few weeks back.

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02-23-2011 , 04:46 PM

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I seriously doubt God would ever ask you to kill someone in today's world though you could go out of your mind and blame it on God or get caught up in a cause and reason your way into killing someone. I think since the advent of the Holy Spirit that the world is qualitatively different and beyond possibly self defense there's no reason you should have to kill anybody.

A lot of Christians deliberately steer clear of communing with the Holy Spirit because they fear evil spirits but that's because they haven't learned how to discern good from evil spirits.

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02-23-2011 , 07:44 PM

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You shouldn't do anything immoral, even if you think God says you should. As for man made laws - you shouldn't follow them if doing so would lead you to commit an immoral act either.

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02-28-2011 , 11:55 AM

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I seriously doubt God would ever ask you to kill someone in today's world though you could go out of your mind and blame it on God or get caught up in a cause and reason your way into killing someone. I think since the advent of the Holy Spirit that the world is qualitatively different and beyond possibly self defense there's no reason you should have to kill anybody.

Why would you doubt God would ask this of someone? God has shown that he is very capable of doing this.

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02-28-2011 , 01:06 PM

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Why would you doubt God would ask this of someone? God has shown that he is very capable of doing this.

That was in the age before the current Pentecostal Age.

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02-28-2011 , 01:07 PM

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That was in the age before the current Pentecostal Age.

That doesnt mean anything because God doesnt change.

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02-28-2011 , 06:20 PM

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Why don't you start with this, and then you can work your way up

http://www.amazon.com/Little-History...8931567&sr=8-1

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02-28-2011 , 07:41 PM

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That doesnt mean anything because God doesnt change.

Yes God doesn't change but God's plan could go into another stage not requiring any executions.

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02-28-2011 , 07:43 PM

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Why don't you start with this, and then you can work your way up

http://www.amazon.com/Little-History...8931567&sr=8-1

That's world history.

World history doesn't teach God's plan.

You'd do better to read a bible scholar. Like Dr. Stephen E. Jones. He explains how God's archetypal plan is based on the ancient Jewish feasts.

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03-04-2011 , 12:51 AM

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Why would you doubt God would ask this of someone? God has shown that he is very capable of doing this.

God never wanted the physical sword used.

A better interpretation is provided by Dr. Stephen E. Jones when he answers the question: Why Did Judah Reject Jesus as King?

Quote: "The only reason God gave Israel a physical sword to establish that first “Kingdom of God” was because the people had rejected the Sword of the Spirit at Mount Sinai."

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/c...ter.cfm?CID=79

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03-04-2011 , 01:00 PM

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God never wanted the physical sword used.

obviously you skipped the whole OLD TESTAMENT..

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03-04-2011 , 01:15 PM

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obviously you skipped the whole OLD TESTAMENT..

People opted to not hear God at Mount Sinai.

They opted for carnal methods. They gave up the greater Sword of the Spirit for the physical sword.

You really need to get out of literalist mode and try studying the OT with a biblical scholar. All this arguing does is keep you in ignorance of God's nature and determined to win arguments. But if its based on ignorance what good is that.

Obviously the ancient Hebrews never claimed their God to be evil so what gives you the right to change his nature in the 21st century?

Just because the ancient Hebrews didn't have discerning spirits doesn't mean the God of the bible is evil.

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03-04-2011 , 01:26 PM

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03-04-2011 , 02:42 PM

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Lol...buddy the wall is all in your mind.

My mind can still make new neural connections to God. See Dr Curt Thompson's evidence in the Faith in Action thread.

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03-04-2011 , 04:45 PM

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Lol...buddy the wall is all in your mind.

My mind can still make new neural connections to God. See Dr Curt Thompson's evidence in the Faith in Action thread.

"Neural connections to GOD" lol

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