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03-12-2011 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Thats not proof..

Why cant you answer? But instead send me to a website, like splendour does and you all complain about it from her, but you can do it?
Those are examples of new species.
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03-12-2011 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Actaully only #6 has been observed as far as I know?

How can 2 and 3 been observed? No one has ever seen a star formed.
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Originally Posted by Hopey
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Thats not proof..
Yes, it is. You're either being intellectually dishonest and choosing not to see it, or you're too ignorant to understand what you're reading. Either way, you just proved that it's pointless trying to respond to your posts.
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03-12-2011 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Thats not proof..
To clarify, by "proof" do you mean empirical evidence, gathered through precise observation and measurement, completely consistent with a mathematically derived theory totally in accord with the well confirmed theories of physics? Or do you mean written in the bible?
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03-12-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
So let's cut this meat thin:
Joey Diamonds is a Christian. He believes in the Word of the Bible.... but doesn't take every single part as 100% literal. (ie... the talking donkey story)
Why not? Is the Bible wrong? Or were the authors wrong in what God was telling them... or were the translators wrong in their interpretation of the written word? No idea.... don't know.
The fact is.... I believe Adam and Eve existed. I believe they had a son and he was cast out by God. I believe it is possible that this son bred with some sort of man-like creature.
This really isn't something that we Christians ponder day after day. It just isn't.
Who was this wife? How could a woman exist in a land that was so civilized that it has a name? Was it actually an unmentioned daughter of Adam and Eve? No idea. How can I submit ANY proof of this?
I can't. And even if such evidence existed... I don't care enough about it to even Google it.
I think the impasse here is, as it always is, Christians have faith. Do I have or need faith to believe this theory of hominid breeding? I don't know how to answer that because the issue isn't one that is important enough to give it much more thought than sitting at the fraternity house smoking pot and watching The Wall and philosophising. (Doubt that's a word and I'm not even going to spell check it)
Bottom line:
Is the theory I posed possible? IN MY OPINION.... yes.
Evidence? Refer to the same evidence I have that God exists at all.

Friends?
Thanks for taking the time to spell out your beliefs and providing a basis for discussion. Most of the time theists are intentionally vague.
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03-13-2011 , 03:23 AM
Bet this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk But in an RGT exile kind of way.
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03-13-2011 , 03:29 AM
The.Journey.Of.Man.A.Genetic.Odyssey
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...&aqi=&aql=&oq=

The.Incredible.Human.Journey
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...og&sa=N&tab=wv


DNA pretty much rules out "we're different" LOL "same tree.. you and me"
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03-13-2011 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Bet this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk But in an RGT exile kind of way.
We can throw that into the mix also....
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03-14-2011 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Thanks for taking the time to spell out your beliefs and providing a basis for discussion. Most of the time theists are intentionally vague.
Wait...was that sarcasm?

And Bunny.... it's not a question of science.
It takes faith to believe that Adam and Eve existed at all so to then demand science to further provide evidence of offspring of these 2 beings that only exist with faith is just....well... it's just not possible to do that.

To take this even further...it is my belief that we don't know nor can we know everything. We...or more specifically...scientist types believe that evidence proven in the past are constant and are always fact.
Because we know how carbon dating works doesn't mean to me that it is fact and has always been fact and will always be fact.
It's possible that we don't know how things progressed in the past and that applications we have today contain improper coefficients to apply them to 100,000 years ago.
Ever see Animal House? There's a scene where Donald Sutherland is smoking pot with one of his students and they are "philosophising" things. The student says "So if our solar system was actually just a spec under a greater beings finger nail... there could be an entire solar system living under my fingernail."
Very Horton Hears A Who..... but the point is... I accept the fact that all we know may not be all there is to know and that the things we know may not apply to all times.
Having said all that.... do you believe in Bigfoot?
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03-14-2011 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Wait...was that sarcasm?

And Bunny.... it's not a question of science.
It takes faith to believe that Adam and Eve existed at all so to then demand science to further provide evidence of offspring of these 2 beings that only exist with faith is just....well... it's just not possible to do that.
No I understand - now that you've said you believe in the animal-Cain interbreeding theory on faith, I don't really have anything to ask you. As I said - I don't have much to say about anyone's faith-based beliefs.

The question "Where do the different races come from?" is a scientific question. I thought we agreed that religion should steer clear of scientific questions, but irrespective - you don't have to agree with me on that. If you think it's useful to answer scientific questions with non-scientific pronouncements, who am I to argue? I won't accept your pronouncements (being indistinguishable from guesswork in my eyes) but that's neither here nor there.
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To take this even further...it is my belief that we don't know nor can we know everything. We...or more specifically...scientist types believe that evidence proven in the past are constant and are always fact.
Not the scientists that I know, but whatever. Maybe you know bad scientists. Alternatively, maybe you misunderstand their position. (I have a science degree - any clue what my view on 'evidence proven in the past' is?).
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Because we know how carbon dating works doesn't mean to me that it is fact and has always been fact and will always be fact.
It's possible that we don't know how things progressed in the past and that applications we have today contain improper coefficients to apply them to 100,000 years ago.
Sure. By assuming the laws of physics are constant we can derive all kinds of useful things. We also don't know they aren't constant and yet by assuming they aren't we don't derive anything useful. Science therefore assumes they are unchanging.

It doesn't mean they are constant - just that we don't have any reason (yet) to think they're changing.
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Ever see Animal House? There's a scene where Donald Sutherland is smoking pot with one of his students and they are "philosophising" things. The student says "So if our solar system was actually just a spec under a greater beings finger nail... there could be an entire solar system living under my fingernail."
Very Horton Hears A Who..... but the point is... I accept the fact that all we know may not be all there is to know and that the things we know may not apply to all times.
And when you leave the house, what precautions do you take in case gravity stops working for you?
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Having said all that.... do you believe in Bigfoot?
No.
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03-15-2011 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
No I understand - now that you've said you believe in the animal-Cain interbreeding theory on faith, I don't really have anything to ask you. As I said - I don't have much to say about anyone's faith-based beliefs.

The question "Where do the different races come from?" is a scientific question. I thought we agreed that religion should steer clear of scientific questions, but irrespective - you don't have to agree with me on that. If you think it's useful to answer scientific questions with non-scientific pronouncements, who am I to argue? I won't accept your pronouncements (being indistinguishable from guesswork in my eyes) but that's neither here nor there.

Not the scientists that I know, but whatever. Maybe you know bad scientists. Alternatively, maybe you misunderstand their position. (I have a science degree - any clue what my view on 'evidence proven in the past' is?).

Sure. By assuming the laws of physics are constant we can derive all kinds of useful things. We also don't know they aren't constant and yet by assuming they aren't we don't derive anything useful. Science therefore assumes they are unchanging.

It doesn't mean they are constant - just that we don't have any reason (yet) to think they're changing.

And when you leave the house, what precautions do you take in case gravity stops working for you?

No.
I like bunny more today than yesterday.
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03-15-2011 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Wait...was that sarcasm?
No, I am serious.
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