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Originally Posted by carlo
Of course reincarnation and karma can't be "seen" with the senses but they can be comprehended via thinking and so i'll try , marginally.
Man is body, soul and spirit and even here we can go into comprehension but a man dies :
He first experiences the episode of "my life flashed before my eyes ". this has happened to those who have had near death experiences but not all who have had these experiences, of course. This episode is one's memory flashing in pictures in which time becomes space. I believe there is more but I'd hope to give a pointer. this period last about 2-3 days and lasts about as long as one would normally be able to stay awake without sleeping.
These perceptions or pictures are in the process of expanding into the cosmic body of pictures known, in the approach I am presenting as the "etheric body" of the cosmos . Yes, Man has an "etheric body" which can be subscripted while alive , during sleep.This body is also known as the "life body" or "formative force body" for when a man dies his corpse becomes apparent and loses "form' and the power that keeps the physical body together is this "etheric body" or body of "life".
It should be apparent that the corpse does not have the ability to give "life" and therefore, intellectually, one can reason to an outer power which gives the human physical "life": and this is this "etheric body". One characteristic is that this "body" is always in motion .
To be clear, the Michelson Morley experiment was designed to find the "ether" but it asked for a "material ether" which will never be found for of course, it is not material.
A man sleeps and in this all passions, desires, sensibilities, thoughts,wills are not present and so one can see that the sleeping man contains an "etheric body" and "physical body", this "physical body transformed into a higher realm of existence by those bodies above itself. the physicality, of mineral existence, doesn't gain a higher level of abilities but is ensconced within a realm which holds it "in life" until at death we can clarify the activities of the mineral existence or nature.
The etheric body, gradually through this 2-3 days, leaves the spirit/soul man but the individual man does keep "fruits" of this existence before it( etheric body) is released as a cosmic sacrifice into the cosmic ether.
Returning to beginnings we are able to "see" that this "picture flashing has to be "sensed" by something and that is our spirit/soul being who is being released from the earthly sensibilities and enters into an inner cosmic sensibilities. I obviously use the word "sense" in another manner as a man's senses , as we know them, sight, sound, taste, etc. are lost due to this loss of physicality.
This is the interesting part of language for in these times most ,if not all words, have taken upon themselves a sense laden basis and so the words, in this type of matter are more so "pointers" and call for some measure of comprehension released from what one calls "matter".
And so the excarnated man now enters the "soul world" as a soul/spirit being. This is the realm where moral experience lives, as does the workings of karma.
I'll stop here , for a while, as the above is plenty and I plan to come back and clarify the "soul realm" that a man goes through after death.
Trying to hit the point in this thread about source of morals or at least display its inner workings with relation to karma. Man after death experiences an expansion of being such as he expands into the cosmos which is more that he expands into subsequent realms. , and in this case the "realm of soul".
In this soul realm there is a particular expression of ridding the soul of all traces of the earthly . This is the region of "burning desire" . A man without his physical body has not lost his desires, passions, and other earthly effects which again, are only sated by a physical body.
An example would b a gourmand who has an excessive desire for the taste of food which goes beyond the needs of the soul as earthly inhabitant. This desire is within the soul and the man experiences "burning desire" for this sensation which cannot be fulfilled. The burning suffering he then goes through "purifies the spirit/soul being and he "demands this purification" until he is released from the desires of the earthly body.
It should be noted that this type of "release" or "purification" is demanded by the soul and of course the possibilities are multitudinous as to a particular man as soul/spiritual being to which this suffering comes about. `
It should be noted that we here speak of "an excessive" desire which needs sated but the idea is that activities , spirit dedicated, are the balancing act for right desires, so to speak. Not all desire is wrong, so to speak, but balance would seem to be in order as we speak from the center of the earth or from the center of the earth, ala Dostoevsky.
During the earthly life the human being has formed relationships with other humans and they can be of a sympathetic or antipathetic nature. In the case of a deed which nay harm another, as an example, this act is relived within the soul world ; the soul/spiritual human experiences what he has done to others , good or bad.
There is a progression and experiencing one's effects upon others proceeding from the time of death back into childhood. We feel and experience what the other felt and experienced. During this time which lasts approximately 1/3 of the lifetime of the soul karmic relationships are formed.
If a man dies at the age of 72 then life in this realm lasts about 24 years. Punch a man in the snoot and the experience is felt in all intensity by the perpetrator of the act. This may or may not call for a karmic compensation but in no way should one consider that he gets to punch the other guy in the snoot in the next life.
The pugilist may have been overcome by an extreme emotion of hate and in an uncontrollable urge lashed out and in this case the karmic balance is experienced in the next life or future lives in order that the two men may come to a reconciliation and even to the gaining a strength in management of said feelings. The possibilities are endless but are for the improvement of the soul as he passes into the next earthly life.
I've given this tale previously but I see it as clarifying:
In a feudal age which I would expect to be around the 11th century of our times a feudal lord prepared his men to travel in order to wage war against a neighboring state. this was not an unusual matter during those day and they sprung up and left their barony as warriors, the nature of those times....
Time past and the lord with a depleted army returned to his land holdings only to find his castle and feudal state occupied by another ruler. Because of the dearth of possibilities the deposed ruler had to become a serf on this , the new rulers state. This was not taken easily.
At night the deposed ruler and what was left of his men would build a bonfire and hurl invectives at the new ruler stating in no uncertain terms as to what they would do to him if when they of course became strong again. But this did not come to pass and both men died, in their time.
Fast forward to the 19th century living during tose time was a German Jew of extreme intellectuality and a rich man's son. they became close friends, even within a bond of Love, and this rich man's son whose name was Engels was a friend , confidant and benefactor of the other ,Karl Marx.
Whenever Karl Marx was in need, and often was,his friend Fredrick Engels was there to counsel and support his closest of friends. One could see love manifesting the two men, whose history is known to many.
Yes, the deposed ruler was Karl Marx in another life and Fredrick Engels was the man who had deposed him., a karmic bond lived through.
Man has not always experienced reincarnation and karma and there will be a time when it ceases as he progresses so as to live within the spiritual world in full consciousness which is the mission one carries from life to life.
To finish, because this realm to which I have given only the barest outline, a feeble echo of the inner working of this realm is not only a preparatin for further earthly lives but sll that man carries of the earth must be left at the borders of this realm in order for the soul/spirit being of man to progress on into higher realms of the spiritual world. He cannot carry his karma or faults into the next realm and in sense will be left at the doorstep, for no transgressions can be carried any further.
He progresses until the limits of the cosmic realm, through the homes of higher beings who have a higher consciousness just as he was ensconced within the soul realm, a realm of higher beings with their particular consciousness who have effected the purification of Man. Man goes through these realms and returns, picking up his karma upon return, so to speak. The time period is approximately 800 years between lives but is variable and related to the human and cosmic needs.
To satisfy some, please read up the hierarchical beings or angelic beings who are above men and their work in the ennoblement of the human soul/spirit being. The religions are(were) aware in some measure but we have lost that consciousness to realize that we are with a divinity and we are an expression of the divine as we gain these abilities as we progress, and know exactly who, what and where we are .
This is weak but its all I can do now ;I am hopeful it may have shed some light.