Can you give examples of those people? I'm interested. And don't give me examples of people that are willing to immoral things because of their belief, or killing people, or going into a war. That does not count as 'willing to die for them' as the same way the Early Christians did.

Many of them only had to do a simple thing, give praise to the Caesar. I respect them for not complying and only going for their beliefs.

You can research this but I've heard there were no reports of miracles in Muhammad's lifetime.

They were incorporated much later.

If there were early Muslim martyrs they could have just believed what Muhammad said.

The Apostles witnessed miracles.

But with or without the miracles there was no early spreading of the Gospel by the sword. The contrary occurred: 10 Roman persecutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad%C3%AD%E2%80%98

The problem is, as pointed out several times, that we have direct evidence that people DO make extraordinary sacrifices for beliefs they have no way of verifying.
Take this guy:

Interestingly enough, he was protesting the abuse that Buddhists faced from the christian regime in place in South Vietnam at the time.

How do you know he didn't experientially verify his belief?

Because Nirvana is not reached in this life.

How do you know he didn't experientially validate his belief prior to this act?

Yes but the perfect meditative moment is achievable.

lol, wat, facepalm, etc.

I think atheists are so anxious to disprove religion that they don't even entertain that God has a bigger pic, a tapestry, going on that we can't see because we are in a tapestry in the making.

Clearly some people are meant to stay on certain threads of his design and other people on other threads.

Atheists can't figure out which thread to be on so they try to tear the whole tapestry up. While theists think they are the only thread which is true for them but maybe not for another people in another time and place.

If you think this isn't true then go back and study Jacob and Esau and compare Judaism/Christianity with Islam....There's clearly a thread connection.

why isnt splendour perma banned yet ... until then, i will just call her a liar and attention whore.

Of course there are many forms of Buddhism, but I have never heard of one where the perfect meditative moment is the end goal.
Generally the idea is to escape the endless cycle of rebirth by achieving Nirvana; he has no way of knowing if he is achieving that.
The fact that people do not need empirical evidence, to sacrifice their life for a belief proves that Jesus disciples did not necessarily have evidence.

I think theists and atheists should just agree that dying for a religion isn't evidence for it to be true.

I'm not saying its evidence against religion, I'm not saying its evidence for religion, I'm just saying ... don't consider it evidence.

brilliant coming from a guy who believes a man rose from the dead.

what if a human showed you and claimed to be an angel? how do you plan on identifying an angel? must if have wings?

Theist response: "Right, it's not...but...(insert a few tidbits about why they believe those who died for the religion they believe in are different)"

Pretty much every single theist itt has done this.

No, no it isnt, it does not increase the possibility by any conceivable amount. The logic is Faulty, what don't you understand about that. The Heavens gate cult all died for their belief, but what they profess has no more possibility of being true than the apostles dying for their beliefs, or for Mr. Mcguffin down the road who believes his cats control the world and want him to gun down 1000 cops, and dies while he attempts to do so.

you constantly commit to things you don't understand on a regular basis. You are living proof that commitment to an idea needs no relation to reality.

How do i know the Apostles were martyrs? Do you have any proof outside of a book i dont trust?

I genuinely don't understand someone who constantly asks people to perma ban her... why can't someone just leave without being banned? We're fairly certain she's above the age of 10 which leaves me with no explanation.

No it's not the end just a very convincing experience.

I assume like NotReady she was told the bible is true by an angel. For some reason i was left off the list of angels telling me which books were true

This statement shows you never read the bible.

Makes no sense.

But i have, long ago far far away...admittedly most of it forgotten.

Still, its a book with a lot of hard to believe things happening. You have to at least acknowledge that.

I think she means if i had read the bible i would trust it.