would you have done it differently? How so?

Its hard to call it murder when the victim cant die.

And even if he could "die" since assuming he was God and he could pull off the miracles he did. It would of been more of a choice to let someone kill you so it would be closer to suicide then murder.

you can dine at this table, but understand the orders are out and the meat will be rare...you see we're looking for something bloody.

whats interesting is that its right for man to focus intently on the slaying of christ. It is the true manifestation of human nature to god=christ. Imagine the bloody mess, rub it on your teeth hands arms and shoulders you filthy animals, stupid and outta touch with bloodthirst...you coward athiest, you arrogant life loving christians. GIVE ME BLOODY DETAILS!

what would you do differently? Would you drink it? Would you eat it? Would you cook it?

So...RGT is officially terrible now. Had to happen some time, I guess.

I'm always a little saddened when a good poster posts about how terrible a forum is rather than try and improve it.

So you don't think Jesus could have been resurrected then? He has to be dead first for that to be possible.

Besides, he was executed, so it was lawful and therefore not murder.

According to the CC (and most other religions as far as I'm aware), suicide is a sin dontcha know, you're breaking one of the 10 commandments if you do that. I doubt that Jesus would have commuted such a blatant sin.

which commandment where you thinking of

Thats actually a surprisingly good point.


But then there are those who say Jesus did not die in the traditional lights out way we think of. Some even have him going to hell for a few days.

This really comes down to what death means. When i think of death its lights out. You think nothing are nothing. Can if Jesus was God go there? Idk... but i wouldn't think a God could.

But then again no one could if we either go to Heaven or hell upon death. It really is about what death means.

And form my perspective death is lights out. If Jesus never went there he never died.


Thats not how murder works. Or at least it shouldn't. Just because something is lawful doesn't make it not murder. The holocaust and other genocides would be good examples. Most would consider those murders.

Murder is more about what is viewed as unjust killing. Like i would say a slave being hung for running away is unjust and when it happened in the past it was murder. Not just a lawful killing.

If i have the power to prevent someone from killing me and i chose not to use it i would consider that more of a suicide. Suicide by cop thing. You wouldn't?

Thou shalt not kill.

I did some reading up on religious attitudes to suicide and it seemed that generally it's the fact that killing is involved that constitutes the moral basis for judging it a sin, or an undesirable act, and in the case of Christianity there is a specific commandment that is relevant to that.

Just noticed that I said 'commuted' when I meant 'committed'. Manual Spell checker error, can't even blame it on auto-correct....

I think that only holds for the Catholic church tbh and I'm not sure how the church reconciles with the commandment as given in Exodus and Deuteronomy which is you shall not murder.

A long road ahead.

A long, long, road ahead.

Every time I see your name, I can't help but suspect that you have "asdf" somewhere in your password(s).

Amirite?

this would be a great sketch show. Jesus gets murdered and the 12 disciples are the main suspects, and you got a roman inspector Clouseau trying to find clues, turns out it was God. or when you unmask the 12 disciples turns out they are god (Because everything is god) like some Scooby-doo cartoon.................and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!".

Don't answer that.
DO NOT answer that.

Rommel honest question here, how old are you?

Close. asdfasdf32 was an old throwaway password which I used for the username of what was meant to be a throwaway account (I signed up in preparation of my 21st birthday Vegas trip and have been trapped here ever sense).

Don't worry, he's a nice fella. We PM'd back and forth for awhile and talked about our families and such. He's such a good listener. Asked me about my first pet and even my mother's maiden name. You know, friend stuff. Good guy, that Naked_Rectitude.

Every time I see your name, it makes me wonder what your social security number is. What is it again?

If your beliefs are genuine, shouldn't you be able to achieve the same results (whatever they might be) by typing these 'divine father' daddy-issue comments into notepad or a personal bog. Instead you insist on seeking attention from the natural world. Why the inconsistency?

As for the topic, why did Jesus have to be executed? What would have changed, other than emotional elements of the story, had he died of old age? Actually I'm asking a pointless question since I can't make any sense of this so-called good news story no matter how the details could be changed.

look at these fish a-jumpin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Ahmadiyya_Islam