No, it sounds like the name of the Book.

You are attacking such a pathetic and miniscule point, it is nothing but sad.

Not to mention you not once discuss the actual content of said excerpt, you just go off on a tangent about the name of a book that isn't even that controversial. Your post is a no-content post, therefore it seems to me to be in accordance with the forum's guideline's for trolling.

Back on topic, there is not a single passage of the Bible that could of not been written by a human being living in the first two centuries.

Oh, that man is having a seizure. Oh look, those pigs are acting funny. Jesus must of cast out the demons of this man and put them into the swine! That makes perfect sense to me because I am a ****ing unintelligent Palestinian living 2000 years ago!

Don't forget it sounds 'so communist' too

Gunth:

Issac had 2 sons. Jacob and Esau. Jacob had 12 sons!...and Esau had 5. Do the math.........That is 17 grandsons. These 17 grandsons had a total of ~70 sons. Surely you don't think the buck stops here and that his great grandsons didn't have sons...what about great great great grandsons? Those must not exist? List keeps going...Here let me try to break it down simpler.
1-->2-->17-->~70-->???-->????-->?????-->??????-->profit?

Now let me get this straight: are you claiming that all of those people above - they are more numerous than all of the stars?

Really?

Where did the House of Israel go when the Assyrians took all 3 million of them into captivity?

Where did those 3 million people and their descendants go?

What about the House of Judah? Where are they?

How many people have merged with the descendants of Abraham by now?

Next time before you wax so literal look up the meaning of an allegory. Allegories are used a lot in poetic expressions. The ancients were a lot fonder of poetry than we are today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory:

Allegory is a demonstrative form of representation explaining meaning other than the words that are spoken. Allegory communicates its message by means of symbolic figures, actions or symbolic representation. Allegory is generally treated as a figure of rhetoric, but an allegory does not have to be expressed in language: briefly, an allegory is a device used to present an idea, principle or meaning, which can be presented in literary form, such as a poem or novel, or in visual form, such as in painting or drawing.

As a literary device, an allegory in its most general sense is an extended metaphor. As an artistic device, an allegory is a visual symbolic representation. An example of a simple visual allegory is the image of the grim reaper. Viewers understand that the image of the grim reaper is a symbolic representation of death.

I know what an allegory is. The problem is figuring out which part of the bible is an allegory and which is literal.

Perhaps you should educate Gunth on allegories. Apparently, he thinks there ARE more people from whats-his-name's line than stars in the sky.

Any confirmation of this assertion?

This site would argue w you.

http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origin...tten/index.htm

Pletho Hitnrunnin' his own threads now?

Christian: what? You dont believe in the bible???

Atheists: No.

Christian: oh silly, wait right here while I fetch a bible verse to cite you, then you'll see it really is true

Atheist: .....?....? *facepalm*

I wish I could explain to you how hard you just made me laugh.. I mean, obviously I couldn't to anyone who authored this post I quoted.. But oh.. your god.. what a laugh!

Reminds me of listening to right-wing nut-jobs like Bill O'Reilly get their ******ed fans behind them.. "Hitler was a vegetarian!"

EDIT: "...still killing people today over their beliefs." Hmmm...I'm pretty sure this is what atheists have been saying all along.

guys hes gonna come back. hes doing extensive research to prove us all wrong

“We have so far no other evidence than Moses’ books for Hebrew writing at that time [1400 BC].”

Julius Wellhausen’s, Biblical and Orentalist Scholar - Prolegomena to the History of Israel London, A. & C. Black, 1885)

“…the doctrine, that is, that the Levitical Law and connected parts of the Pentateuch were not written till after the fall of the kingdom of Judah [586 BC], and that the Pentateuch in its present compass was not publicly accepted as authoritative till the reformation of Ezra [456 BC]…”

William Robertson Smith, Professor of Divinity at Aberdeen Free Church College, Preface to Julius Wellhausen’s Prolegomena to the History of Israel

There is going to be opinions back and forth on whether or not this is true, we must look at the credibility of the whole bible when we decide if certain parts of it are most likely to be true or false.

Are there records for a global flood? No

Records of a 40 year migration through the desert? No

Is it all most likely man made mythology, fable, and hearsay passed down from generation to generation, each story receiving its own variation through what we now know as the telephone game.

Paraphrasing the late great Hitchens, Since it is so illogical to conclude that all religions are right, it is most likely correct that they are all wrong.

Jesus, Moses, King David, most likely the apostles, Mary and all the other mythological characters of the bible are just that, characters in a fable no more true then the three little pigs or humptey dumpty.

I can only handle soo much unbelief at once.... As for logical reasons for unbelief, there are none.

The problem is that the information you are basing your decisions on is not accurate in the first place and is flawed....

This is either a reference to something I don't know/remember or I completely missed your post. What does this mean?

It means that you can change your forum options so that instead of 10 posts per page, you see 100 posts per page.

Oh, I didn't even know I could do that.

Well, I still can't believe this reached 75 posts. How can a troll disappear when he's getting so much attention? But I guess you guys love trolling trolls (perhaps).

Whenever I see the bolded example I instantly discredit and stop reading.

And there we go boys and girls! pletho has blown us away with his undeniable proof of God and why the bible is undoubtedly the word of GOD!!!

Lets all repent and runt o the nearest church ASAP!!!

That doesn't really compute? Sounds a little coward-ish?

Well another thing you have to consider Dom is that Abraham is considered a father of faith.

Not just a physical promise was given to Abraham by God but a spiritual promise was given to him as well.

Jesus Christ came out of the line of Judah which is traceable back to Abraham and through Jesus Christ God has many spiritual children.

Even the divine right of kings is traceable back to him and David of the Old Testament.

So do you believe in the "Divine Right Of Kings" today? Lots of very decent Christian folks used to hold that belief back in the day. Also "Papal Infallibilty" ?? Again lots of very serious and honest Christians hold to this! Just askin!!

It does?

Why?

I think we're still in the middle of a creative work by God.

Colossians 1 (NIV)

The Supremacy of the Son of God

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV

God will accomplish his purpose (work):

Romans 5:

10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Philippians 1:

3 I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 2:

12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
14 Do everything without grumbling or arguing, 15 so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.”[c] Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky 16 as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. 17 But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. 18 So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.

Psalm 136: God's love never fails.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...36&version=CEV

Your right, there are only logical refutations of half assed logical arguments put forth by people trying to prove an archaic book written by semi educated men in the first couple centuries, is the unaltered word of god.

The burden of proof lays upon you! Prove to us that the bible IS the word of god, without using scripture. Want to know what you have to use to prove your point, just like everyone else in the academic community? The Scientific Method!

Your hypothesis is that the bible was written by god, go out and find us all solid evidence, have that evidence be accepted by the scientific community, peer reviewed and published.

If you can't do that or find material that is peer reviewed and published that proves your point, simply admit that the only thing you have proving the book is the word of god, is faith.

And the reason they call it faith? Because it's not knowledge - Hitch

Hitchens was a drunk who never got regenerated in this world.

That ought to be proof enough of the problem with not getting spiritually regenerated.

Do you always take advice from people who lack self control?

Can you learn self control from someone who doesn't have it?

God killed a village including women and children when he didn't have to. I'll take hitchen's libations over god's genocide as an example of lack of self control.