The bible was explaining how applying biblical principles to life is meditation long before JK.

Read Psalm 1.

But you're advocating deleting the principles.

Without principles how can the world get in harmony?

Just for a moment to delete them...just for the smallest amount of time possible, and not in the outer world, just in your inner world.

you were taught you need principles to bring the world to harmony....we have the 10 commandments but zero world harmony. remember harmony is total, it can't be partial.

remember no one can answer this you have to see it yourself to know.

Yes. And, as you mentioned before, when the two become one....

Yes, as you mentioned before, the "two" is talked about in Romans 7. And yes, this recognition is essential. As Splendour mentioned before, revelation is progressive. One can't know Jesus' revelations unless they know the revelations that they were built upon. Such as, as above so below or you are not your mind, etc.

Nope, try again. Include the aspect of mind/thought in your hypothesis.

If I knock out everything God teachs about purity then I'll never see Him, will I?

What would happen if I stopped believing that whatever is popping into my head is true? What would happen if I simply dropped belief for a minute? Would what is true stop being true? Would I cease to exist?

What would happen if I ceased from thinking for a minute? Perhaps this:
the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not? (Luk 12:40) (deeeeep)

What would happen if I take no thought, as Jesus encouraged us to do?

No i don't think you should put money on that bet.

yes harmony is total, it is or isn't, you don't have some harmony thats not harmony. Its like freedom, we are taught in Canada we are free...but its only so long as we don't care about others freedoms, as long as you support national division you are free, thats not freedom tho, freedom is total.

You asked how it would fix things, how ending division or deleting everything inwardly for one moment would do that, and i suggested no one can tell you, you have to do it to see.

you only have to do it for one moment, the worry is you aren't able to approach him with a conditioned mind. and there is only one way to find out, and thats to try to approach with an unconditioned mind. if that doesn't work, go back to the conditioned.

No you! ('cause I have no clue where your going then...)

If you intended anything different, I'm going to have to rescind my genius comment.

Up until this point I think we're in agreement...so have at it.

I knew it!!!

You need to enter into the rest that is. It's alot about what we are talking about, actually.

You need to stop posting towards me.

You just got slick with semantics and it doesn't convince me.

You have to know it for yourself. No one can tell you. Go sit and focus on your breathing for awhile. Notice what the thoughts are doing. When they distract you, don't resist, just go back to breath. Take no thought. Observe what happens in the mind. Realize.

How can you see that Romans 7 is good, but not agree with Paul that the body is bad?

The body is a stupid animal.

Pretty sure Paul is just a dude that built fires and loved Jesus

I'm not appealing to his authority for my point, I just agree that that section that I've quoted repeatedly...seems pretty solid to me.

The body itself is a brilliant organism. There are some other factors that can make it a "stupid animal"

I'm not an expert on transcendental meditation. But I did read a little bit on Christian contemplative prayer a while back and it almost persuaded me.

The New Age has ushered in a lot of TM and a lot of people don't even know to check the two (Christian contemplative prayer and TM) against each other and check everything with the scriptures.

Like I said I'm not an expert. It's something people need to look into before just accepting what people say.

Quote:

Biblical meditation involves meditating on the Word of God consciously vs. emptying the mind. We are not told in Scripture to "experience" God or his "presence." His presence is a reality within us through "faith" - not an experience. If you recall, when the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He used "words" and then commanded against vain repetition as the heathen do (Matt. 6:7).

Transcendental Meditation vs. Contemplative/Centering Prayer: A Comparison
http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/...tation-vs.html

No one's talking about TM. Where is that coming from? Your mind is telling you that and you are believing it and going off on tangents.

I see what you're doing as vain repetition. You need to change those catch phrases into something functional.

It's like..hmm let me post something with a link to a profesor, use all the buzzwords, check my spelling and punctuation and maybe someone will think it was smart?

No!

I don't want to hear any more about it.

Christ is my mediator not ajmargarine.

There's a lot of ways to walk off course in this world if you don't seek to know exactly what God is saying in the bible.

And walking off course has consequences usually natural ones.

Okay, this looked like the meat of your post.

Elaborate on the bold as if you wanted someone to be able to comprehend it.

Like...I just don't see the contradiction you're pointing out?

But yea...I personally don't try to empty my mind, it just happens on occasion. I'm pretty much always thinking about some complicated concept, until someone annoys me with a practical day to day thing.

You know...perhaps you surprised me with a decent post, and my body made me get angry and basically say "you are a tard".

I can't argue with meditating on God's word. I can recall scriptures to support that.

I think fasting would solve this minutia, of what hearing God is all about. Is it a conversation with yourself and a conclusion, or is it emptying the mind? Because I can kind of see how both could produce positive results.

lees notes: above all don't start with a conclusion.


empty your mind, be formless like water!.http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...aBu0Lw&cad=rja


Only a mind free from burden can let god in. God = truth.

I also have a question about time travel, what are you going to think about scriptures when we realize that timelords have been corrupting them for an eternity?

I think I said enough on it.

If you meditate on scripture enough it'll have the effect of freeing your mind from false concepts while you retain those needed for godliness.