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02-09-2013 , 09:00 PM
What about The Big Bang Theory, or that God created the world in 6 days or whatever it is?

What do Christians believe?
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02-09-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bigpotpoker
What about The Big Bang Theory, or that God created the world in 6 days or whatever it is?

What do Christians believe?
It depends on who you ask. There are a number of fundamentalist perspectives (primarily in the US) which take to a literal reading of the creation story. Historically, this is a bit of an aberration.
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02-10-2013 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger_888
The Bible, as also in Homer and Shakespeare, does not offer a scientific view of the world. Nor does religion assume that any of its truths (if there are any) depend on a scientific explanation of the physical movement of objects in the universe.
So what? This is not an answer to the question I responded to.

Let's look back:
OP asked about examples from the bible that are not supported by modern science. I responded with three; Genesis' talking snake, Elisha's summoning of bears and Samson's hair.


For some obscure reason you seem to to have troubles with this because:
1. The Illiad isn't historically accurate
2. Religion doesn't rely on scientific explanations.

Honestly - none of these are very good replies to what the OP asked.
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02-10-2013 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger_888
The Bible, as also in Homer and Shakespeare, does not offer a scientific view of the world. Nor does religion assume that any of its truths (if there are any) depend on a scientific explanation of the physical movement of objects in the universe.
Yeah, I'm going to call a flag on the play here. The things is, you can dismiss some things as allegory or storytelling (and some of them actually are) but the truth is, the Bible is loaded with supernatural stuff that is, indeed, taken as fact.

The big one of course is that Jesus rose from the dead, but Jesus had a host of other miracles - healing the sick, turning water into wine, walking on water - that are absolutely intended to be taken literally. The Bible itself even points this out:

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

- 1 Cor 15:12-17
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02-10-2013 , 07:40 PM
The teachings of Jesus in a nutshell:

1) God loves you. It'd be nice if you loved God back.
2) While you're at it, don't be a dick.
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02-10-2013 , 07:59 PM
ahaha, i ll help you. you got in right time "ENTE" im about to get banned.

ThiS?

Ill help you
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02-10-2013 , 08:02 PM
Now, out of joke.

I udenrstand you r weakness.

Im giving my life now for you, my .....my...just LOOK FOR YOUR WAY TO LIVE AND UDENRSTAND LIFE.

I love you , cause im weak as you. dont follow your fathers. Love them, just dont follow the,.

****k dammit
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02-10-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by psr
The teachings of Jesus in a nutshell:

1) God loves you. It'd be nice if you loved God back.
2) While you're at it, don't be a dick.
Anyone else prefer this to the ten commandments?
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02-11-2013 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bigpotpoker
What were some of the things in the bible that were proven wrong or science says otherwise. Did the bible ever change because of a scientific discovery?
There are lots of claims the Bible makes which are impossible to prove/disprove. The biggest of which would probably be Jesus's resurrection. However, when it comes to "proven wrong", I would say that the firm 6,000-year Biblical timeline was proven wrong by science. Not just the total amount, but also some Biblical historical events along the way. Here is a decent wiki page discussing the historicity of the Bible.

Generally, even though the Bible never changed as a result of the scientific advances, Christians have had to alter their approach/interpretation of the Bible as a result of this apparent conflict with scientific methods.
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02-11-2013 , 10:39 AM
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The teachings of Jesus in a nutshell:

1) God loves you. It'd be nice if you loved God back.
2) While you're at it, don't be a dick.
Sounds slightly similar to Jesus's two biggest commandments: 1) love God, 2) love people.
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02-11-2013 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by montecarlo
Sounds slightly similar to Jesus's two biggest commandments: 1) love God, 2) love people.
I thought it was more 1) Love god, or else. 2) Love people unless god hates them

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02-11-2013 , 09:38 PM
Make sure you give your 10%. That's important too, at least to them.
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02-11-2013 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by montecarlo
Sounds slightly similar to Jesus's two biggest commandments: 1) love God, 2) love people.
3) sell all of your possessions, give the money to charity

strange how the christians are always leaving that one out!
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02-11-2013 , 11:44 PM
Yes there are other commands and teaching points, but Jesus plainly stated that the greatest commandment was to love God and the next most important was to love people as you love yourself.
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02-12-2013 , 12:01 AM
It was common to ask a rabbi the greatest commandment, which was an inquiry to their ministry. And the answer would go 'The greatest command is X, and the 2nd is like it..."

In that regard, if we are to rely on the Bible for what Jesus felt was the crux of his ministry, the psr pretty much nailed it.
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02-12-2013 , 01:23 AM
Not all Christians believe in the trinity or that God and Jesus are one. Jesus always preached about God and prayed to God. It was said he would rule by his side.

The bible is comprised of the old testament and new testament. The old is before Jesus and includes Mosses, a jew and his family. The Jews were gods chosen people. The new testament includes the teachings of Jesus. The Jews are no longer the chosen.

God was the same before and after Jesus's time on earth.
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02-12-2013 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chief pot
Not all Christians believe in the trinity or that God and Jesus are one. Jesus always preached about God and prayed to God. It was said he would rule by his side.

The bible is comprised of the old testament and new testament. The old is before Jesus and includes Mosses, a jew and his family. The Jews were gods chosen people. The new testament includes the teachings of Jesus. The Jews are no longer the chosen.

God was the same before and after Jesus's time on earth.
Jesus was a Jew, as were all his contemporary disciples. According to the Gospel of Luke, Jesus was circumcised eight days after his birth, in accordance with Mosaic Law. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy.

It was only later, about 50 years after Jesus' crucification, that followers of the Jesus movement began to accept the idea that one did not first have to become a Jew before becoming a Christian. This was particularly important as the movement spread into into non-Jewish areas and they wanted to make it easier for Gentiles to become Christians.
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02-15-2013 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by psr
The teachings of Jesus in a nutshell:

1) God loves you. It'd be nice if you loved God back.
2) While you're at it, don't be a dick.
Yep this and of course dont forget to stone gays to death if they work on a Sunday. Throw in some woman and child slaves you can barter for, rape the odd virgin here and there and you are all set.

But seriously the cliffs on Christianity;



The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

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02-15-2013 , 01:19 PM
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The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yeah you're the first guy to reduce it to those terms. You should copyright it or something.
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02-16-2013 , 05:18 AM
I wish i was clever enough to be honest.
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02-16-2013 , 03:35 PM
Jesus was a teacher of truth; Christianity hides that truth.
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02-27-2013 , 04:32 PM
Teacher was talking about how in the bible there are few instances where it is said people talked face to face with God. Is there anything that talks about what he was exactly? I thought he wasn't exactly a person so how does one talk face to face?
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02-27-2013 , 05:14 PM
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I thought he wasn't exactly a person so how does one talk face to face?
In the very early part of the Bible, where creation is described:

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So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
So it's not too big of a stretch to assume that God has a face, since humans have faces.

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Is there anything that talks about what he was exactly?
The book of Revelation has some crazy-ass descriptions (I wonder if the author found some good shrooms on the island he was banished to?). Also, Isaiah chapter 6 has a crazy description as well. Think: multiple limbs, multiple faces, random parts looking like different animals. But then in other cases, like when Abraham talked with God about sparing Sodom and Gomorrah from destruction, God appears to be quite humanoid.
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02-27-2013 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bigpotpoker
Teacher was talking about how in the bible there are few instances where it is said people talked face to face with God. Is there anything that talks about what he was exactly? I thought he wasn't exactly a person so how does one talk face to face?
The phrase "face to face" is suggestive of an intimate meeting. I don't think it implies a literal face to a literal face.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...33&version=NIV

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The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.
I'm not even sure if the rendering in this sentence is a literal word-for-word translation, or if it's dynamic translation.

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In the very early part of the Bible, where creation is described:



So it's not too big of a stretch to assume that God has a face, since humans have faces.
This is questionable theology.
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02-27-2013 , 06:21 PM
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This is questionable theology.
Ye come on montecarlo, isnt it obvious that this part of the bible is just metaphorical? sheesh.
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