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11-08-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Yea, stalin hated religion, ok. But where does it say there were mass murders or wars staretd agiainst. Because thats what we have in the crusades, etc.
why don't you read the article
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11-08-2011 , 05:33 PM
You are my new role model. Hey if they want to spew their garbage mytical views on you, you are more than encourage to give them some wisdom


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Originally Posted by darksideofthewal
The company I work for has gone bankrupt and as several parts are sold of to different companies, me and many of my co-workers will part ways. As a goodbye present a co-worker has given all of us some christian propaganda.

To 'thank' him for his gifts I got him Dawkins' "the god delusion". I have however not thought of anything to say while giving it. Any suggestions? Please bear in mind that 1) I still have to work with him for a couple of weeks 2) I would prefer for there still being a chance he actually reads it.

--Darksideofthewall
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11-08-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
If Catholics don't follow it, then why should I have to read it?
why should you bother do anything? sit on a toilet and let your life pass by... right?
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11-08-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
Lets go Sommerset keep trying.... lol you have been proved wrong like 10 times in this thread
proved wrong about what? ur assertions, no matter how strong, don't count as me "being proven wrong."
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11-08-2011 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
I am getting tired of owning you clowns
keep embarrassing yourself with your childish arguments...
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11-08-2011 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
why don't you read the article
read every word.
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11-08-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
what does that have to do with hate. The doctorine said the Jews killed Christ it didn't say hey everyone lets go kill them now and hate them.

I am getting tired of owning you clowns

You honestly think the catholic church can completely wash its hands of the rabid anti-antisemitism that is prevalent today, and has been for some time?
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11-08-2011 , 05:39 PM
So FiladelfiaFix, an individual who never read the old testament and I can assume he probably never read the new testament as well, claims to know who are the real Christians, what GOD wants, and what he doesn't do and what he requires his believers to do as well.. Haha.. nice...it sounds like a prank, but it probably isn't, considering that most believers know a lot less about their bible and their religion then non-believers( as shown in few polls), he is a pretty much a good reflection of the reality.
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11-08-2011 , 05:41 PM
Yes Stalin was an atheist, but he didn't kill in the name of atheism, while some many genocides have occured in the name of religion

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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
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11-08-2011 , 05:47 PM
I will readily admit there is a certain level of pettiness to giving him the book. About half the people I asked whether they wanted to chip in declined for this reason. (Asking multiple people to chip in was more about making a statement together than it was about the money.)

The reason I did it was that I thought the best way to show him why people did not like his behaviour, was to put him on the other side of the coin. (I red a nice analogy on this forum, about a group of renegade Canadians attacking the Burj Khalifa and the UAE invading the US in retaliation)
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11-08-2011 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
So FiladelfiaFix, an individual who never read the old testament and I can assume he probably never read the new testament as well, claims to know who are the real Christians, what GOD wants, and what he doesn't do and what he requires his believers to do as well.. Haha.. nice...it sounds like a prank, but it probably isn't, considering that most believers know a lot less about their bible and their religion then non-believers( as shown in few polls), he is a pretty much a good reflection of the reality.
I know that God according to the new testament has never taught me to kill or hate or break any law. Goes the same for my priest and my religious teachers. I still don't see what you are trying to get at?
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11-08-2011 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I recall some dude in a book, who once said, "turn the other cheek." But apparently, you don't follow what he says.
I seem to recall 'an eye for an eye'
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11-08-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
You honestly think the catholic church can completely wash its hands of the rabid anti-antisemitism that is prevalent today, and has been for some time?
My church never taught me to hate anyone neither has the NT..

Hahahaha rabid anti-semitisim?

can 2p2 wash their hand of rabid anti-christianity?
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11-08-2011 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I recall some dude in a book, who once said, "turn the other cheek." But apparently, you don't follow what he says.
I am guilty of that yes, although our religion teaches you to turn the other cheek. I am sure we would all be better off if we followed those rules. I am Catholic, I broke alot of rules like anyone else. I regret them and the older i get the more I improve and my goal in life is to become the best person I can.
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11-08-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
I know that God according to the new testament has never taught me to kill or hate or break any law. Goes the same for my priest and my religious teachers. I still don't see what you are trying to get at?
As a Christian you are supposed to follow the Old Testament. If you know anything about the history of Judaism you will understand why. Christianity is continuation of Judaims with the addition of Jesus , who he himself claimed that the old laws need to be continued to be obeyed. I don't know what denomination of a Christian you are, are you the one who believes Jesus is GOD , or are you to believe Jesus and GOD are two separate beings? If you believe in the first , then you have to admit that Jesus was the same being that gave all these immoral and unjust laws to the Jews which are described in the Old Testament. Are you to tell me that as a Christian you believe that God gave the Jews laws in the old days contradicting his "objective morality" which you Christians claim comes from God? Objective morality does not mean , killing witches is ok today and not okay tomorrow..
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11-08-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by darksideofthewal
I seem to recall 'an eye for an eye'
you seem to be very wrong
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11-08-2011 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
As a Christian you are supposed to follow the Old Testament. If you know anything about the history of Judaism you will understand why. Christianity is continuation of Judaims with the addition of Jesus , who he himself claimed that the old laws need to be continued to be obeyed. I don't know what denomination of a Christian you are, are you the one who believes Jesus is GOD , or are you to believe Jesus and GOD are two separate beings? If you believe in the first , then you have to admit that Jesus was the same being that gave all these immoral and unjust laws to the Jews which are described in the Old Testament. Are you to tell me that as a Christian you believe that God gave the Jews in the old days contradicting his "objective morality" which you Christian claim comes from God?
I told you 9 times that I am Catholic, who are you to tell me what testament I am supposed to follow.
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11-08-2011 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
you seem to be very wrong
The phrase, "an eye for an eye", (עין תחת עין‎, ayin tachat ayin, literally 'an eye under an eye'), is a quotation from several passages of the Hebrew Bible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye
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11-08-2011 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
I told you 9 times that I am Catholic, who are you to tell me what testament I am supposed to follow.
ask your priest. If you think that Catholics don't recognize the existence of the OT you are simply insanely wrong. I don't know how else to put it.
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11-08-2011 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
I told you 9 times that I am Catholic, who are you to tell me what testament I am supposed to follow.
Well then you don't know anything about your religion. I was a Catholic. I was baptized, went through my first communion , etc. etc... I was brought up in a Catholic family, in a 90% catholic country. Attended bible studies since age 7 up unto the age of 16, then I attended a Christian University where I took theology classes, and that was the end for me...

Either you are trolling or you don't know anything about your own religion.
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11-08-2011 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kiderino
You are my new role model. Hey if they want to spew their garbage mytical views on you, you are more than encourage to give them some wisdom
Glad to be of service, but when you take it as a whole I make a terrible role model...
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11-08-2011 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darksideofthewal
The phrase, "an eye for an eye", (עין תחת עין‎, ayin tachat ayin, literally 'an eye under an eye'), is a quotation from several passages of the Hebrew Bible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye
For the 90th time, we follow the NT, and in my faith an eye for an eye is a sin.
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11-08-2011 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
Well then you don't know anything about your religion. I was a Catholic. I was baptized, went through my first communion , etc. etc... I was brought up in a Catholic family, in a 90% catholic country. Attended bible studies since age 7 up unto the age of 16, then I attended a Christian University where I took theology classes, and that was the end for me...

Either you are trolling or you don't know anything about your own religion.
you sound like a happy person. good for you, your awesome, what a weight off your shoulders that your a part of the 10 percent smart people in your country . You must have life by the balls now.

What country is that may I ask?
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11-08-2011 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FiladelfiaFix
you sound like a happy person. good for you, your awesome, what a weight off your shoulders that your a part of the 10 percent smart people in your country . You must have life by the balls now.

What country is that may I ask?
I don't claim to be smarter, nowhere in the replies I have stated that. Sure you are confused about your religion, you haven't even read anything about it except probably the ocasional church pamphlets that list the beautiful quotes of Jesus. You want to educate yourself about the origins of your religion , check out the Yale courses below..

OT
http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studie...tent/downloads

NT
http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studie...tent/downloads


Sure you might be confused if you should follow the old testament or not, church claims Jesus made a new covenant , yet they insists ten commandments to be continued to be followed. These ten commandments are part of many more which were given to the people.. Nowhere in the NT Jesus stated, hey, follow only 10 of those and forget about the other six hundred few.... Pick and choose whatever rocks your boat...

country? Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_C...cism_in_Poland
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11-08-2011 , 06:20 PM
gskowl, I gotta run. will continue later. peace
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