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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Because it's not even a problem. You don't get to say what is evil.
I don't need to, I can use the understanding theists themselves have and since I'm working in their paradigm anyway that's fine with me. I think the concept of evil without a god is meaningless, so I use the theistic concept of it.
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
And even if you could what if God created evil? So he did. Woopdido. Only ones you have a case against are some fluffy new age born-agains who claims "god is nothing but love", but it's not like they take the bible seriously anyway or have inclinations towards theology".
'God is love' is the only counter theists have to the Euthyphro dilemma as well, it's a hugely important part of theism, so the problem of evil is hugely problematic for them. I think you're seriously underestimating the importance of this particular issue.
If we could show that god is not all loving, it's devastating to the theist position.
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
But you're not working within their paradigm, you're making ad hoc hypotheses that they don't.
No I'm not. Without their paradigm I don't even have a view on this. I'm working only with what they provide. I'm using their rules, and their claims and their assumptions. I don't believe in god, or free will or that god is omniscient or omnipotent, those are entirely their claims.