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05-04-2010 , 11:44 PM
Lol I saw the OP and thought, there's no way he actually said that. And then someone linked to the clip and I was completely right, he said nothing even remotely close to what the OP claims.
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05-05-2010 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RLK
Again, interesting. I was under the impression that they did no such thing. Any others want to support Tuco that this is the case?
Maybe I misspoke here. I don't claim that I KNOW 100% that the Judeo Christian God doesn't exist, or any other theistic god for that matter. I do think however, that it's so incredibly unlikely, I'm going to go ahead and round it down to zero for all intensive purposes. With the analogy about the scammer from earlier, I would do the same thing.

Sorry if I came across as being 100% certain that your god doesn't exist, obviously I can't prove this.
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05-05-2010 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RLK
So if you get an email offering you $1 trillion dollars in exchange for $1000 you figure 1 in a billion is a reasonable chance that it is legitimate? I wouldn't. I would put the chance at exactly zero.
No chance is at exactly zero. One trillion dollars could materialize out of the quantum foam right in front of you with >0. If you're under the impression that you are capable of absolute ultimate categorical certainty, then you think you have super powers.

I don't share that affliction so I know that I'm never capable of being 100% certain of anything, and the only things that have probability 0 are those selected from an infinite range.

Now, one in a billion is way too high in this case. But all he has to do is claim he's a genie who can grant wishes or some **** and then he has a >0 probability of infinite utility.

Edit - The real problem here is that infinity doesn't work well with probability. It just fails.
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05-05-2010 , 01:17 PM
God is 100% real. Even if God is the creator of some computer programme, or if God is the Bible one, or if GOd is something we cannot imagine. God is real.


Equity of going to Christian hell= <1% seeing as the Bible is written by man.

Pics or it didn't happen.
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05-05-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
God is 100% real. Even if God is the creator of some computer programme, or if God is the Bible one, or if GOd is something we cannot imagine. God is real.
????

Since you've basically left the definition of God wide open and acknowledged that it is something undefined, no one can really contradict you.

All I have to do is admit that there's something I haven't imagined... you call it "God"... I shrug and say, "Okay.... I guess" and you're right.

The problem is the people who are disputing the existence of God, while still loosely defined, are definitely not talking about computer programmers or some unimagined thing. They're talking about supernatural all powerful beings that created the Universe. (or something to that effect)
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05-05-2010 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
????

Since you've basically left the definition of God wide open and acknowledged that it is something undefined, no one can really contradict you.

All I have to do is admit that there's something I haven't imagined... you call it "God"... I shrug and say, "Okay.... I guess" and you're right.

The problem is the people who are disputing the existence of God, while still loosely defined, are definitely not talking about computer programmers or some unimagined thing. They're talking about supernatural all powerful beings that created the Universe. (or something to that effect)
The problem is that the proof of God's existence lies in the lack of ability to observe or know any of his traits, thus disproof is not possible. Yet the claimant very often not only knows God, but can account some of God's traits.

'Tis a mystery I tell you.
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05-05-2010 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
????

Since you've basically left the definition of God wide open and acknowledged that it is something undefined, no one can really contradict you.

All I have to do is admit that there's something I haven't imagined... you call it "God"... I shrug and say, "Okay.... I guess" and you're right.

The problem is the people who are disputing the existence of God, while still loosely defined, are definitely not talking about computer programmers or some unimagined thing. They're talking about supernatural all powerful beings that created the Universe. (or something to that effect)
Damn straight I cannot be contradicted on this. The very fact that there are all these imaginations of God, there are actually infinite variations of God, God is imagined different in every mind and every mind can create a new imagination.

Omnipresent omniscient creative force. Both of these words cannot be comprehended by the human mind but they are the essence of what 'God' means and is the only logical explanation for existence. Everything studied in science is actually a pursuit of Omniscient God. The Bible is just blind guessing science but the essence of logic is at its base.
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05-05-2010 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
Damn straight I cannot be contradicted on this. The very fact that there are all these imaginations of God, there are actually infinite variations of God, God is imagined different in every mind and every mind can create a new imagination.
What if I imagine a god who can't be imagined in any other way?
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05-05-2010 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

Omnipresent omniscient creative force. Both of these words cannot be comprehended by the human mind but they are the essence of what 'God' means and is the only logical explanation for existence. Everything studied in science is actually a pursuit of Omniscient God. The Bible is just blind guessing science but the essence of logic is at its base.
If it cannot be comprehended they its odd that you're proposing it here. And your term is really no better then god. Incredibly vage... lacking any defineable characteristics other then the three adjectives you provided.

You've said this before but you offer it up no differently then any other religious person. You say it must be true and think the conviction of your belief is sufficient. I'm sure we've discussed before that I believe no such "omniscient" or "Creative" force necessarily exists. Though if I recalled, you simply asserted otherwise. If that's the case here, no need to go down that road again.
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05-05-2010 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RLK
So really the Christian question is: What do you have to be offered to have faith in God and treat other people well? It's not so tough.
How many times have I asked you: what sort of behaviors qualify as "having faith in God"? At least a dozen, I imagine. Have you ever answered? Absolutely not.

So how can you accuse us of substituting straw men for positions like yours, since you yourself are utterly incapable of clarifying them?
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05-05-2010 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
If it cannot be comprehended they its odd that you're proposing it here. And your term is really no better then god. Incredibly vage... lacking any defineable characteristics other then the three adjectives you provided.

You've said this before but you offer it up no differently then any other religious person. You say it must be true and think the conviction of your belief is sufficient. I'm sure we've discussed before that I believe no such "omniscient" or "Creative" force necessarily exists. Though if I recalled, you simply asserted otherwise. If that's the case here, no need to go down that road again.
hmmm well ok I'll just believe that... what? there is nothing else to believe, What DO you believe? What does your logic tell you? I cannot logically think of anything else so I at least have reason. All the sides show the same thing to me can you offer another reason for reality?
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05-05-2010 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
What if I imagine a god who can't be imagined in any other way?
Don't understand this question... Its not really possible or it hasn't been shown thus far in history. Everyone imagines Zeus/Jesus/Allah ect ect differently.

I don't think God can even be imagined, omnipresent and omniscient is is the only answer to you're question I think.
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05-05-2010 , 05:55 PM
If the 1% happens then I hope someone will stake me.
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05-05-2010 , 06:10 PM
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hmmm well ok I'll just believe that... what? there is nothing else to believe, What DO you believe?
I don't understand the question. There is certainly much that you don't know and won't know. I"m not sure what you need to believe. You seem to think the only choice is that there is a God. The other belief is you are wrong. That the universe just is.

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What does your logic tell you? I cannot logically think of anything else so I at least have reason. All the sides show the same thing to me can you offer another reason for reality?
I don't understand the last question. What makes you thik life has to have a reason? Why do you think there has to be a deep answer to your question? Perhaps the Universe is what we can see. It doesn't require an all power sentient force. Its simple is the universe.
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