I think due to the fact that there's probably no way to quantify those attributes necessary for the creation (assuming created) of the universe that we assign infinity to them. That if it's there, it has to be infinite.

Officially: Metaphysics, butchered physics, attributing values to unknowns, pretending to grasp infinity.

Unofficially: It doesn't fit with the protester's religion.

Why?

For someone who loves his children so much that he has saved a place for them in heaven, and who communicated so directly with the OT patriarchs, God nowadays sure seems to prefer tragically subtle clues.

You'd think that a supremely intelligent being would understand that you need evidence that cannot be explained through any means beyond the fact that he exists. Instead, we only see "evidence" that does not require his existence to be true.

Catch yourself whenever you use that word "perhaps." Are you explaining or rationalizing?

Because it's impossible to comprehend some finite power behind something that's possibly infinite? I can't do it, but if you can, you're a better man than I.

Actually this is never claimed by the Bible, and is only believed by that hilarious subsection of people who are Biblical Literalists who also have no theological background AND lack even a casual understanding of basic Jewish writing techniques.

Ok, I'm still confused. This started with my point that, even assuming an entity created the universe, since we have no idea what it takes to create a universe, we cannot know what qualities are possesed by that entity. Then you said:

I read that to say you agree with my point above ("no way to quantify") and then you assign infnity to them - even saying it has to be infinite. I asked "Why?" since that seemed at odds with your own point. You replied with:

If that is impossible, how is it possible to comprehend an infinite power behind something that's possibly infinite? Or are you just saying that whatever created the universe had to be "greater" than the universe in order to create it? If so, then we can just agree to disagree, because I have no problem with an effect exceeding a cause or a creation exceeding the creator. And that certainly doesn't make me better - just different.

It is a ridiculous idea that has pretty much a 0% of being correct. So you can pretty much draw any conclusion you want if the off chance that it is true.

Can you concieve of an off chance event that would convince you of God's existence?

Probably an infinite number of things.

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amazing op (didnt actually read the post just going on title lol)

waiting for the inevitable:

"Does my penis cause problems for atheists?" thread

Stu, your titles are so fun! I wish I could give you a big hug !

If you add up all the begats, the conclusion that the earth is only some thousands of years old is inescapable. Although it is true that the bible never makes this claim directly.

Is Stu a giant level?

That's all I'm saying. We throw around words like finite and infinite just to get a relative idea of magnitude. It could very well be such that God used some finite power out of his toolbox of infinite powers to create this universe. I mean, to us it would likely be indistinguishable.

It's called Stu's Law.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Here it is:

Stu's Law: No matter what Stu says, it's impossible to tell whether he is trolling or not.

LOL poor Stu.

FWIW, Stu's Law can be broken.

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