Thinking more truth exist in the bible/Old Testament and calling historical facts a lower level of truth is a new level of Christmas stories ….


But seriously Craig enlightened me !
What is the “ degree of truth” in your expert opinion for the words/stories from Zeus , Ra, Odin , Indra ?

Low , mid tier , high ?
Surely u must have an answer ?

That stinging feeling… the cure is in the poison.

The victim is the unworthy manager. The kingdom is taken from him and he is fired. He no longer is to be in charge of the household. Capeesh?

This reader's eye passes over the passages as presented and sees in others a dearth of enlightenment obfuscated by convoluted text that is as cryptic as it is vague.

In other words: "What the hell are you talking about?"
Please just state your case in modern English and not "poetry" or riddles.

Craig -> Nostradamus 2.0 lol .

Using clear plain English would actually shows the holes in his “premises “….

He can’t even answer simple questions

At this point, I have no sympathy for your frustration. A toddler who is scared to leave mommy and explore eventually exhausts sympathy as well.

Well i guess that closes the debate with Craig .
Nothing worthwhile can be achieve with him obv.

Your “traps” disguised as questions are a waste of time. I’m not and never have been part of organized religion, so placing me in that category and then trapping me - I’ll pass.

I'm actually anti-trolling!

FellaGaga keeps claiming that Christians "believe in magic."

So, I discovered a way to take his trolling and use it to make a constructive point.

What in the name of Ned are you talking about?

Once again, you fail to explain what you are talking about while feigning some superiority for which you have offered no support.

I guess you are comparing me to a toddler which is ironic since a toddler (like you) has difficulty communicating. A toddler eventually learns how to communicate. I hope one day you will as well.

Now.... consider had I not written the above but rather wrote in your style something like this:

"The light that shines through the prism of truth casts colors so vivid as to surpass the reason of man!"

It's just a collection of words that sound deep but are in reality nonsense.
(But I admit it's fun to compose! ;-) )

This!!!!!!


And this, too!

How is Montrealcorp pointing out that you're a incoherent babbler a "trap"?

Trap ?
Im asking clarification on what is high level truth and what isn’t by your own words and logic ….

“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”
Albert Einstein

I guess u don’t actually understand what you are talking about yourself since you only speak in cryptic sentences.

Ps: how can it be a trap if something is true and real huh ????
If u feel it’s a trap it probably means there is a problem somewhere in reality or truth ….

Pps: high level truth shouldn’t be scared , hiding in the shadows of cryptic confusion !
That’s what great about science , it’s clear and can be replicated easily by anyone since the premises and truth stemming from it are shining in clarity for everyone to experience it

The highest truth is associated with the highest reality which is:
(1) that which we desire
(2) the fulfillment of that desire across time
(3) the narrative which emerges in our pursuit of fulfillment

It’s also hidden, hidden from reason and the intellect. It is a test of faith. None of you believe me when I tell you this, not even the Christian, but I am speaking the truth. We speak of what we know and you guys don’t know and don’t believe what I share here.

Pure Koresh1120. Tell us why you are the one with the perfect understanding of god. How did that happen?

"Anything that is real does not require faith to believe it." -- Aron Ra. I'd like to hear any honest apologist response to that.

Can you PROVE what Ra said above is real (i.e. true), or do you accept it on faith?

If the former, please show us the proof. If you can't show us the proof, then you are accepting what Ra said on FAITH.

Skeptic: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

Me: That's quite an extraordinary claim you just made, Mr. Skeptic! What's your extraordinary evidence for it?

Hold on, you're using one alt account in RGT and a separate alt account in politics?

Really?
You think that your "desire" changes "truth" and "reality"?
I guess it worked for Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz but I assure you that reality will not be impressed with how many times you click the heels of your ruby slippers together.

But maybe a more forgiving reading of your 2 points suggests that all you are saying is that if you work (not just pray) hard and try to change things... then you may be able to change things. I'm OK with that.

I've heard this silly rebuttal before.
It's just one of those "clever sounding" arguments because it attempts to turn the original statement against itself.

I reject the premise that the statement "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is itself "extraordinary".

All its saying saying is that "If you state something that goes against MANY facts & arguments that are backed by evidence, then you better have some even more impressive evidence to back it up!"

That seems like a very straightforward (and NOT extraordinary) argument to me....

^ This is your brain on religion and apologetics.

Things that are real that you don't need faith to believe they exist: your house, your car, your watch ... significant other, children, refrigerator, books, a tree, the Empire State Building, your glasses, your shoes, the Declaration of Independence, your driver's license, poker chips, the casino, a chair, this computer, your dog, Alaska, the cornbread I ate, this flash drive, that painting on the wall, etc. In brief: reality.

Religious faith was invented to "establish" only one thing into alleged existence.

Tell us why and how you have such profound understanding of god.

It’s a wokish reality pov maybe he has ?

1)Born a man but thinking being a woman because he feel and wants to be ?
2) making it happen physically
3) etc ..

In the end disregarding the reality of science ?

This is the key point! Considering a claim "extraordinary" or not has nothing to do with whether or not there is sufficient evidence for the claim.

Ironically, when the skeptic demands extraordinary evidence, he is tacitly admitting that the existing evidence is sufficient.

In other words, if the current evidence is insufficient, it makes no sense to demand extraordinary evidence.


Here is an old thread dedicated to this topic:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...dence-1402556/