Has anyone brought up the gnostic version of Christs crucifiction? It states Christ left the cross and switched bodies with a bystander. The bystander suffered the agonies of the cross, while Jesus laughed.

OK, can we agree then that you're not a theist?

So, you're arbitrarily defining love as God and then saying you believe in God? I really don't get that. Love is an abstract emotion we feel. It doesn't have the power or conscious thought to "send" anyone, including Jesus. Even if it did, so what? His death was then meaningless, or at least no more meaningful than any other human who died for someone. If there is no extant God to send Jesus to die for our sins, then Jesus in your view did not die *for* our sins because he wouldn't have had the power to absolve us of our sins.

Not impressive. You did not explain why the resurrected Jesus would need the stone rolled away for him to get out of the tomb.

While you are at it, here are your bonus questions.

Matthew 27:51
The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Why aren't the names of any of the "many" "holy people" who the bible claims were raised to life that day known?

Who did they appear to?

What did they do for the rest of their resurrected lives?

Why would you believe such a story?

Is this "miraculous event" mentioned in the other "Gospels"?

I'll answer that one for you! Jesus was a human being, like i had mentioned, and God is a metaphor.

Nobody has been able to prove that god exists, nobody has been able to prove that the god that exists is indeed the one described in the bible... lol..so it's pretty silly that you talk about the bible as if it's some accurate historical biography/interview of/with GOD..

and for you to accuse others spewing nonsense.. come on man...

The stone was rolled away for the benefit, ecouragement and believing of his followers.

Obviously he himself did not need to have it removed to get out. It wasn't much later that he actually just appeared out of nowhere, here and there.

Matthew 27:51 is a forgery in the text......

Your right about one thing, Jesus Christ was a human being, not God.

You can't prove that God exist to someone who refuses to believe, no matter what you present to them.

Thats why the bible calls them unbelievers, and those who do believe in God are called believers.

You wont see unless you believe and you wont believe unless you see, so you are in a catch 22. Your the only thing holding yourself back from understanding. Your lack of meekness, meaning your receptivity to Gods word. Your lack of humility. And your lack of sincerity, and desire to really know the truth.

You only want to hear want you want to hear. Anything that doesn't agree with your ego, has to be wrong. Thats what's the problem with all the unbelievers on this forum. Giant ego's, that think they have it all figured out, or that someone else can't know more than them.

Well if you are presenting something that is not an evidence then you can't blame someone for continuing of rejecting your claims...

Again.. the nonbelievers are not some people who are supposedly presented by believers with undeniable proof yet they want to sit there and pretend like the evidence does not exist. The unbelievers come in two positions, those who saw the "supposed" evidence and rejected it due to reaching a conclusion that the "evidence" is really not an evidence. And those who never heard of that god so they simply can't believe in something that they never heard of.

That's pretty silly, there either is evidence and can make nonbelievers a believer due to observing the evidence and reaching a conclusion that the evidence presented proves existence of that god, or there is no evidence to reach the conclusion that the god exists. Lack of humility? Seriously? Desire to know the truth? Really? lol...

LOL.... you just don't get it... Again... There is no evidence for existence of GOD, and claiming that nonbelievers just don't want to look at evidence is ridiculous... What evidence is there that god exists, and that it is your version of god, please show me..

So do you consider yourself a mainstream Christian? I ask because I find your description of your belief system quite peculiar (The quote is a summary of your belief isn't it - or am I missing something?).

Sorry, just looked at the god's little joke thread - I see that you belong to some bizarre sub-cult. Thanks.

A cult of one, apparently.

Wouldn't the resurrection itself be enough "for the benefit, encouragement and believing of his followers"?


You and apparently agree that the tale of many dead people being released from their graves, going into the holy city and appearing to many people is not true.

What evidence do you have that causes you to state that it is a forgery, rather than part of the original false claim of miraculous events that also never happened?

Is this a conclusion by your religion or sect, or is it a Pletho conclusion?

It obvioulsy wasn't, because he did not do it just for kicks.........

It would take so much space up to prove that claim, that I honestly do not want to take the time. We can just agree to agree with each other that is not truth.....

I agree to agree that it is not true.

Jesus and Muhammad were cults of one too.

Hmmm...you're putting yourself in the same category as Jesus and Muhammed?

Matthew 27:51-53
The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Does that mean that there are absolutely no Christians out there who believe this portion of Matthew 27?

But they believe all the other miraculous parts?

I am sure many believe it. But what it teaches crosses the flow off pretty much the whole teachings in the bible. No one can rise from the dead until christ returns. I'm not talking about being risen from the dead by a miracle, such as the instances in the gospels. Thats not the same type of thing as what this verse is talking about. Thats one major reason I know its a forgery.

"Hey, there's Jesus--alive and walking around! He's resurrected!"
"I don't believe it. Yes it's him and he's walking around and talking to us, but we need more proof that he's been resurrected for real."
"Okay, let's go check his grave stone...Anyone can perfectly reproduce a human from scratch, but it's impossible to move a grave stone."
10 mins later
"OMG! His grave stone has somehow been moved, it's a miracle! And it all makes sense, who could rise from their grave with a big stone in the way?"
"Haha ya, that would be ridiculous!"

Hmm, I guess you need to understand and study gravestones, and centurians of the Roman empire and how they operated.

Why dont you do some research of your own, and then come back after you have studied in detail like I have. Then you can be more qualified to make a logical deduction. Because at this point, you like many others have not got enough correct information to make a logical informed decision about the bible. Along those lines, most all of you on this forum are so biased and have so many preconcieved ideas that you will not let any more information in, you automatically have pre-judged it as wrong.

lol


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I didn't know you are an expert on the structure of ancient graves...

But dogmatic theists, on the other hand, are extremely open minded, and never ignore evidence.

They don't ignore evidence they themselves created. It takes one open minded individual to accept all these fantastic claims, bending of physical laws and irrationality.