Was the crucifixion of Jesus the worst death that anyone has ever experienced? - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

It's silly to say that Jesus "paid the ultimate price" for our sins or anything like that if he just underwent 3 days of relatively severe torture and then skipped off to heaven.

On the other hand, some theologies hold that Jesus on the cross was made to suffer every pain that any human being has ever suffered or will ever suffer.

Yes.

The "mental cruelty" thing.

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03-06-2011 , 12:06 AM

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Yes.

The "mental cruelty" thing.

Yes that is ironic about dog/god. I did not notice that.

What do you mean about mental cruelty?

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03-06-2011 , 12:07 AM

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"some theologies hold that Jesus on the cross was made to suffer every pain that any human being has ever suffered or will ever suffer"

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03-06-2011 , 12:15 AM

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Well let's look at it realistically. Is it an exaggeration? Yeah, obviously, right? Is it still a miserable suffering enduring death? Yeah. I know i would rather drown or die of starvation than be crucified.

Could it be that people just have a sick and manipulative way of twisting, embellishing, and exaggerating stories just to make someone else believe them? I think so. Do people also have a bad habit of imposing their own beliefs upon others? uh huh

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03-06-2011 , 12:16 AM

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Yes.

I have occasionally done that myself.

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03-06-2011 , 12:23 AM

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Yes.

I have occasionally done that myself.

To me, dude, religion is corrupt, as is anything which man lays his hands upon. I feel that all religious teaching needs to be taken with a grain salt. I say that because nothing that you hear of pertaining to religion can be taken literally. It is the moral lessons, the pearls of wisdom that you can extract from the stories of God, the bible, Jesus, as well as other religion's scriptures and stories, that are truly to be cherished and valued in life. The only thing that Jesus' death showed me was how powerful love is.

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03-06-2011 , 05:20 AM

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I used to work as a purchasing agent for an operating room in a Boston hospital, and one day at work, i read a story online about the Haitian earthquake, and how a dog rested and waited without food or water at the demolished rubble of his former deceased owner's home. He waited there almost 3 weeks until his death, as was cited by witnesses. I read this story aloud to a few co-workers and a spinal surgeon looked at me and said..."If that doesn't prove the existence of God, then i don't know what does". I could not agree with him any more.

So this earthquake which caused terrible human suffering and death also caused suffering to this dog too. ...and this proves the existence of an omnipotent creator who loves us???

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03-06-2011 , 12:04 PM

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So this earthquake which caused terrible human suffering and death also caused suffering to this dog too. ...and this proves the existence of an omnipotent creator who loves us???

Another cynical skeptic. Yeah, thats exactly what i was saying. You nailed it!

Evidence of God is all around you is my point. You just have to look at things in the world through a different lens than the one your using right now when it comes to spirituality.

The point in my example was to show you how powerful a dog's loyalty can be as a spiritual force. That is the evidence of God. Not the earthquake or death of anyone or anything. You fail to see this?

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How the **** does a dog starving to death prove the existence of god? If anything, it should prove the opposite.

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The point in my example was to show you how powerful a dog's loyalty can be as a spiritual force. That is the evidence of God. Not the earthquake or death of anyone or anything. You fail to see this?

Or it could be that thousands of years of selective breeding of dogs by humans created an animal so stupid that it would starve itself to death waiting for a human to feed it rather than searching for food on its own.

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03-06-2011 , 12:11 PM

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How the **** does a dog starving to death prove the existence of god? If anything, it should prove the opposite.

Did he not die because of his loyalty to his owner? He could have just as easily gotten up, left, and sought shelter, food, and water elsewhere?

Just tell me why he died?

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What about the immediate international humanitarian aid that was given to Haiti? Thats not a sign of God, either, huh?

The power of human beings to care for and love other human beings must not exist in your world. In a godless world, we would see quite the opposite.

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03-06-2011 , 12:19 PM

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Evidence of God is all around you is my point. You just have to look at things in the world through a different lens than the one your using right now when it comes to spirituality.

The lens of cognitive bias.

But hey, that Dr. House comment in the other thread kind of gave you away. Try to be more subtle next time.

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I used to work as a purchasing agent for an operating room in a Boston hospital, and one day at work, i read a story online about the Haitian earthquake, and how a dog rested and waited without food or water at the demolished rubble of his former deceased owner's home. He waited there almost 3 weeks until his death, as was cited by witnesses. I read this story aloud to a few co-workers and a spinal surgeon looked at me and said..."If that doesn't prove the existence of God, then i don't know what does". I could not agree with him any more.

I did a search for the online story you described, but was unable to find it.

Could you post a link please.

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03-06-2011 , 12:28 PM

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The lens of cognitive bias.

But hey, that Dr. House comment in the other thread kind of gave you away. Try to be more subtle next time.

What? So you're back to implanting logic into this discussion? Thats how we explain God, right? Love maybe not be evidence for some people, but it is for me, cognitive bias, or not.

And i don't even know what that house comment means? gave what away?

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03-06-2011 , 12:32 PM

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And i don't even know what that house comment means? gave what away?

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Sounds like a pretty idiotic argument to me. Why don't you watch an episode of House or something, before you start debating healthcare/medicine.

lol.

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03-06-2011 , 12:32 PM

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What about the immediate international humanitarian aid that was given to Haiti? Thats not a sign of God, either, huh?

Did it fall from the sky like manna? Human beings provided the humanitarian aid, not god.

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The power of human beings to care for and love other human beings must not exist in your world. In a godless world, we would see quite the opposite.

Ugh.

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03-06-2011 , 12:45 PM

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I read this story aloud to a few co-workers and a spinal surgeon looked at me and said..."If that doesn't prove the existence of God, then i don't know what does". I could not agree with him any more.

Oh, and my guess is that the surgeon was being sarcastic, but you weren't bright enough to realize it.

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03-06-2011 , 12:47 PM

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Did it fall from the sky like manna? Human beings provided the humanitarian aid, not god.

Aren't humans created in the image of God?

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03-06-2011 , 12:48 PM

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lol.

Good response.

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03-06-2011 , 12:49 PM

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Oh, and my guess is that the surgeon was being sarcastic, but you weren't bright enough to realize it.

Yeah, let me email him and find out. Your guess and two cents wouldn't even be enough to get me a tall latte at starbucks

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03-06-2011 , 01:40 PM

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Meanwhile, the members and guests of Religion, Dogs, and Theology wait for you to post the link to the story.

"If that doesn't prove the existence of God, then i don't know what does".
- a spinal surgeon

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03-06-2011 , 01:43 PM

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Aren't humans created in the image of God?

Only if you believe such tripe.

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Yeah, let me email him and find out. Your guess and two cents wouldn't even be enough to get me a tall latte at starbucks

True. While I consider my guesses to be priceless, the good folks at Starbucks don't consider guesses as being legal currency.

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03-06-2011 , 01:49 PM

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I did a search for the online story you described, but was unable to find it.

Could you post a link please.

I think he's confusing the earthquake in Haiti with an episode of Futurama:

http://videosift.com/video/Futurama-...Ending-and-Sad

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