Your in, your in , your in, who cares what they think, your in if God's word says your in, they just do not like the freedom you will be exibiting because they will still be putting themselves in the bondage of the old testament law, while you are enjoying life.

Sure you should get your forgiveness but thats between you and God, not between you and any other person, more than anything its for you own conscious, so that you do not have a wall built in your mind thinking that God has not forgiven you or that he is mad at you or something crazy like that.

Most Christians have no relationship with God because they and the religous teachings they have heard have built walls in their hearts that block them from recieving from God, its not that God is not willing but that they themselves are the ones with the barrier in their own beliefs and thoughts that styme the relationship and once they change their thoughts and beliefs they open the floodgates between them and God.

You can't blaspemy the spirit as you understand it, once you are a Christian, true blasphemy of the spirit is to confess the devil as your lord, this is done by people at times and if they really do this with believing from their heart they will have a darkened heart and have no possibility of ever having eternal life.

They will be completely blinded to what they have done and confess until the day they die that they serve the true God when they are really serving the false god. The religous leaders of Christs time were born of the seed of the devil their spiritual father. There is a popular song out regarding this, called "total eclipse of the heart", sang by a few different singers, listen to the words.

Many successful musicians and actors have already done this and some elite top religious leaders and business men in the world (BG), its no joke and no one believes it except the ones that do it, and know about how it works. Or those who have been taught the truth about it from the word.

Emphasized for the sake of enjoyment. Almost as good as "the Aliens built the pyramids" but not quite.

Also, this is precious-
Yes... between appearing in Cheech and Chong movies, Tenacious D, South Park and other fun pro Christian Programming, Meat Loaf composed the song "Total Eclipse of the Heart" about selling your soul, only he cleverly disguised this message in the guise of a song about romance.

Dude, you've been leveling the board good for a few months. I think you took it too far this time. The gig is up.

** MY bad... it wasn't written by Meatloaf... it was written for Meat Loaf. The rest of my comments still apply.

You only know and understand what they want you to understand and know, you have no clue of who inspired it all to be written in the first place, because you do not understand spiritual matters.

No big deal though, all the things I talked about in my post are true, even if kurto doesn't believe them, or roundguy, or any other atheist on this forum.

You do not understand and are clueless. You do not understand spiritual matters like I do. You simply believe what "they" want you to understand. They have done their job well of infusing you with their propaganda.

No big deal though. Everything I say is true even if Pletho doesn't get it.

See how easy that is? Weeeee. Everyone can post just like Pletho with the same authority! Just say its true and everyone will think it must be.

Oh... it helps if you accuse actors and musicians of selling your soul and then reference 80s songs that have no bearing on the discussion. I assume you picked up that technique from Splendour.

The The Armageddon Days -- Actually a song about religion, unlike Bonnie Tyler...

I really wish you'd quit lumping me together with all these ignorant, unintelligent, disgusting, unbelieving, lying, scumbag atheists. It's starting to piss me off, Pletho.

I pointed this out a month ago and either nobody believed me or have since forgotten. I even presented evidence to that fact (which got me in trouble with madnak).

You guys keep debating him like he's on the level. He posts here to get evidence for his atheist blog on his atheist website.

Are you the person that told me you were a Diest?

The reason I am asking is because in my book a Diest is just another label for an Atheist, neither believe in the bible, or the God of the bible, and since you have vehemently said you do not believe in Pauls authority as an Apostle of Jesus Christ or in his new testament writings, it just confirms my beliefs much more.

As for the other names you used of them (the atheist), those may apply to many of them I am not sure?

I am not meaning to piss you off any more than you are trying to piss me off with some of the things you have posted to me and written to me in PM's ect...

I am merely stating how I believe about the whole situation from a biblical point of view based on what I know and understand from the bible.

An Atheist is someone who does not believe in God, and from the word there are several Gods spoken of,

1) the God and father of Jesus Christ,

2) the god of this world (the devil)

3) and many other false gods which fall under the rulership and dominion of the devil.

Since you do not believe in the God and Father of Jesus Christ, I catagorize you to fit somewhere in believing in one of the other false gods.

So now you see my delimma, I guess you can clarify your stance if you would like.

pletho

Hopey, you are delusional, and paranoid. Someone else also posted that the guy who owned that site was from another state, which I do not live in.

Believe me I am a straight forward bible believing Christian. If you want to think I am a level that is fine because in essence that is exactly what the words I have been speaking have been doing, they have been leveling out the playing field on the forum. I have been taking a stand for those who do not have the guts nor the knowledge to handle the majority of all the stupid atheist questions that are asked here.

You mean the guy who runs an atheist website and has the same name as you?

If you were just some random guy, I wouldn't think much of it and would think that it was just a coincidence that you share the same name with the atheist guy. But you're making a big effort to portray yourself as a caricature of a fundamentalist Christian. The other Christians on this site are distancing themselves from you, and you appear to be revelling in it.

The atheist site has been up for a long time. It's quite possible that you moved since you originally registered the domain name.

Uh, right. Whatever.

When the truth is spoken people will do anything in thier power to divert the attention to something else hoping that it will stop the truth from being learned.

This is constantly going on here with all these thread derailments and off subject comments.

You are right in the mix and do not realize you are being used.

Your ignorance of the English language, and the meaning of words, is astounding. And you expect us to believe anything you say about the meaning of the Bible?

Yikes.

Satan does make the best music. It probably has something to do with pain and suffering and Gods silver spoon upbringing, it must get in the way of creating great art.


But hes like a good movie thats a little bit unrealistic, it's more enjoyable to suspend your disbelief.

No, he is like a really bad 80's B movie. Watching them every once in a while is great and is always hilarious. But if this was the only type of movie that you were allowed to watch you would begin to hate movies.

I have no doubt in my mind that Pletho is a gimmick on at least some level. I have met some cartoonish type Christians before, but absolutely no one like him. I think that the likely hood that he is legit is about the same as the bump that I heard last night in the basement being bigfoot knocking into the dryer while he was rooting around for a gift for the lockness monster that he was going to give her at the tooth fairy's birthday party next week.

Your right, but i always liked their so bad their good movies.

I agree. Just the idea in this thread that you can lead an unrepentant sinful life and get into heaven is something i haven't heard from any Christian or Christian group ever.

I think I love you again.

You've never been a Calvinist, obviously.

Romans 9: 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

The elect are the elect. It doesn't matter what you do, or how you live. You are either saved, or not. You have absolutely no choice in the matter. It's all up to God.

Very strange.

Oh yea.. i forgot about Calvinism and predestination. They must of had some wild party's.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I love a good raining Saturday watching "Howard the Duck", but I don't want that to be the next 43 movies that I watch. You know

lol, yeah I thought you might like that one.

boooooo religion.

Awesome. Very logical and rational. Amazing argument.

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

I cant watch Howard the Duck, Lea Thompson bugs me and the duck is just freaky. But yea i know what you're saying.

I don't mean to further this tangent about 80s movies but I just have to say, "Better Off Dead".

I forgot about that. To be honest with you, whether he's real or not is rathar moot since I don't think a single person except perhaps Splendour takes him seriously.

I honestly only engage him for fun. I forget who posted that interesting link about a new word that means (with respect to religion) "a fundamentalist and a satire of a religious extremist are virtually indistinguishable"... that's kind of what I think of Pletho. He would look no different if he was real or not.

And don't get me wrong... if he was a satire but presented interesting arguments as a devil's advocate, he would still be interesting. I think he stinks because everything he posts boils down to "I'm right because I say I'm right."

I kind of think when he starts letting people know that singers are in league with Satan, he's winking at everyone.

Anyhoo... real or not, he's one of the worst apologists this forum has seen. Unless people can be converted by sheer annoyance... "I'll convert, I'll convert... if you'll stop posting such nonsense I'll convert."

I have to make a speculative point here, jesus reportedly died on the cross all though not historically proven as his existence has not been, apparently he took all sin, ALL sin upon him, and experienced pretty much all iniquity upon his body, right down from the virus that is born through biblical sin, straight up to the thorn penetrating his forehead and spear into his side.

But i have a thought that keeps appearing as i ponder over his sacrifice and its meaning, was jesus raped by the centurions? Could this have happened as he took on all the 'sin' of the world, some may think this idea blasphemous or crude but reading between the lines this is a real possibility, it would make sense.

Rape isn't a sin according to the bible imo. So, gg christianity I guess.

you used the phrase "his philosophies" hence my reference as him being a philosopher (which, as you may not have noticed, I suggested that it was an inappropriate use of the term)

You obviously do not understand ancient religion/myth and how they functioned in society. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the guy, he (and similar movements at around the same time) proposed an outlook on religion that was fundamentally different from its predecessors.

good luck with a philosopher that really only remembered because of his influence on Roman Stoicism. I hope he allows you live rationally and virtuously.