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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
Those choices are available; they just fit under one heading or another.
Right, so given that I believe in the likelihood of these scenarios, I can choose to either classify myself as a theist or atheist. However, that seems to do little to help define either category. So in other words, "theism" will seemingly always remain closely synonymous with "christianity" or "judaism", etc, which is unfortunate IMO. I was just pointing out that if theism started to be recognized by the masses as a super broad spectrum of a variety of many different beliefs, it would take away some credence from the 3-4 major religions, since you would have more decent options to choose from, say 20 for example. This would illustrate further that they are all theories IMO (to a certain extent since there would seemingly be less chance of any one being right. You and I know this intuitively and obviously, but I think the classification would help for the masses to see that it is on the same theoretical level/has the same or more probability of being true.) Maybe at the end of the day I am just a covert atheist trying to mess up the theists by pretending to be one of them and spewing a bunch of broad spectrum stuff to take away credence from their very specific stuff. /early morning rant.
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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
EDIT: I noticed that, somewhat inconspicuously, you didn't directly answer the last question.
I think this may depend on our definition of belief at the end of the day, but I'll give this a try: So in your scenario with the 4 blue marbles and 1 white marble, I would bet money that its a blue marble, but I wouldnt bet my life. Do I
believe that it is a blue model? Yes because my definition of belief doesn't require 100% certainty. So for another example, I am a small business owner with a startup company (IRL), and I
believe that my business will grow and become successful. This is far from a wild hope, I logically expect it to be successsful, but It's certainly not 100% certain. More than 50%? Definitely. So I think this would be a fair use of the word "believe", no?
In any case, my theoretical bag of theism/atheism marbles would have every possible color imaginable (and some colors that we cannot imagine/fathom), so I guess it's a little harder to say "I believe it is a blue marble", since none are even close to 50% (sorry I can't get away from the % thing I just don't know how else to express it). But yeah, I can see how saying "I believe in XYZ theory" could be misleading, maybe a better way to say it is that "I am excited about the possibility of this theory", etc.
edit: this also ties in with something that was in another RGT thread: "can you properly define someone by what they
dont believe (atheism), why not define ourselves by what we
do believe? I'm curious to see whether you accept or reject this, and if you accept it - what might you say that
you believe to define yourself?
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