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01-16-2009 , 09:09 AM
Evloution: I always have a problem when I hear people say that we evolved from animal kind and still have animal characteristics. Animals kill other animals as part of nature to surive, but when a man (animal) does such things they are punished for their actions but how can this be so if we are still evolving/evolved from animals?

Big Bang Theory: This theory states that there was atoms floating around in space/void and all of a sudden they collide together to make the universe and it keeps expanding, but were did these atoms come from?

Nothing + nothing = Everything?
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01-16-2009 , 09:16 AM
I don't think you understand evolution, and you DEFINITELY don't understand the big bang theory. I suggest doing some Wikipedia research on the topics.
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01-16-2009 , 09:28 AM
[QUOTE=RoosterCAD;8199517]Evloution:
when a man (animal) does such things they are punished for their actions but how can this be so if we are still evolving/evolved from animals?

We are h0mo sapiens, intelligent life.
The vast majority of us agree that there has to be standards of behaviour
to govern civilised life. People are punished for there actions as it
is necessary to have prevention/deterrent/punishment to maintain these
standards.
Our origin or wether or not natural selection (Evolution) is still happening is
irrelevant to most h0mo sapiens right now.

I believe your description of the Big Bang is flawed but maybe someone
with a better scientific background will tackle that.
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01-16-2009 , 10:29 AM
People don't "believe" in Atheism as such. Atheism is not a set of beliefs. Also MOD should move this thread to SMP.

God + 6 days = everything. This makes more sense to you than the theory of evolution which is based on overwhelming evidence and accepted by all top scientists and great thinkers of modern times. AMIRITE?
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01-16-2009 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD
Evloution: I always have a problem when I hear people say that we evolved from animal kind and still have animal characteristics. Animals kill other animals as part of nature to surive, but when a man (animal) does such things they are punished for their actions but how can this be so if we are still evolving/evolved from animals?

Big Bang Theory: This theory states that there was atoms floating around in space/void and all of a sudden they collide together to make the universe and it keeps expanding, but were did these atoms come from?

Nothing + nothing = Everything?
What are you talking about?????? Man kills cows, chickens, pigs, lambs, fish all in order to survive.... we are not punished for that (at least not yet).

Cannibilism in the animal world happens, but it is rare, just as it is with humans.
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01-16-2009 , 01:06 PM
Let science explain the natural and religion explain the supernatural.
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01-16-2009 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthHasNoEnd
Let science explain the natural and religion explain the supernatural.
Have you ever experienced anything supernatural that you would like religion to explain for you? Religion does not hold the answers to questions science has not yet provided for. Religion's feeble attempts at explanation have only ever hindered the progression of humanity and our understanding of the human condition.
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01-16-2009 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by devilset666
Have you ever experienced anything supernatural that you would like religion to explain for you? Religion does not hold the answers to questions science has not yet provided for. Religion's feeble attempts at explanation have only ever hindered the progression of humanity and our understanding of the human condition.
The supernatural would be life after natural death because that sure would be "super".

And with this supernatural outlook, meaning revelation from the supernatural, we get a super truth about some of our super purposes, and an ultimate super plan, and some things about what its like in the supernatural world and once in a while they make it possible for a few witnesses to have a super experience in the natural form.

Now , it takes super faith because super faith is the super hope of super things to come.
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01-16-2009 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthHasNoEnd
The supernatural would be life after natural death because that sure would be "super".
So what "answers" has religion provided for life after death? Pure guesses don't count.
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01-16-2009 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin A
So what "answers" has religion provided for life after death? Pure guesses don't count.
Define a guess, I have a feeling unless I prove some historical persons claims with video that it wasn't a guess but revelation from God, that you will ignore it when I say he had specific assignment from God because you don't have proof of it, and then just say, ok, we have pure guesses since I haven't seen a video.
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01-16-2009 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbobo
What are you talking about??????
I am talking about man kills man? Why is it wrong if we are considered envolved "animals"
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01-16-2009 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthHasNoEnd
Define a guess, I have a feeling unless I prove some historical persons claims with video that it wasn't a guess but revelation from God, that you will ignore it when I say he had specific assignment from God because you don't have proof of it, and then just say, ok, we have pure guesses since I haven't seen the video.
Some guy says God told him about the afterlife and you believe him?
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01-16-2009 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD
I am talking about man kills man? Why is it wrong if we are considered envolved "animals"
So you're just headed down the "No God = No morals" path huh? You can't think of any other reason why it might be a bad idea to kill other humans?
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01-16-2009 , 01:30 PM
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God + 6 days = everything. This makes more sense to you than the theory of evolution which is based on overwhelming evidence and accepted by all top scientists and great thinkers of modern times.
I just know that if there was nothing there before, and it was up there in space/void with nothing, and that nothing created this nothing that it does not = everything.
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01-16-2009 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin A
So you're just headed down the "No God = No morals" path huh? You can't think of any other reason why it might be a bad idea to kill other humans?
What has morals got to do with anything?
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01-16-2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin A
Some guy says God told him about the afterlife and you believe him?
I first read what he has to say.

Think about it and study it.

I also check out the guy who's saying it and what has he done with his life, what are his fruits, then I see how it holds to my basic faith of Jesus Christ, does it magnify it like science magnifies past discoveries.

But most importantly , the Holy Ghost plays an important part of bearing witness to the truth.
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01-16-2009 , 01:35 PM
Some insects will eat their partner after mating, such as the Preying Mantis and the Black Widow Spider. Other animals, such as lions, have been known to kill offspring from the same species if it is not their own progeny. While still in the womb the tiger-shark will eat its siblings before being born, and many monkeys, while the same species, will kill other monkeys from rival troupes.
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01-16-2009 , 01:35 PM
I think the usual reply is "who created god then?"
Then you reply god is not bound by our space/time he always was.
yadda yadda etc..
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01-16-2009 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD
Some insects will eat their partner after mating, such as the Preying Mantis and the Black Widow Spider. Other animals, such as lions, have been known to kill offspring from the same species if it is not their own progeny. While still in the womb the tiger-shark will eat its siblings before being born, and many monkeys, while the same species, will kill other monkeys from rival troupes.
I personally try not to kill any living thing. A big spider might be my weakness.
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01-16-2009 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD
What has morals got to do with anything?
"I am talking about man kills man? Why is it wrong if we are considered envolved "animals" "

Seems pretty clear you're talking about morals.
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01-16-2009 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by justscott
I think the usual reply is "who created god then?"
Then you reply god is not bound by our space/time he always was.
yadda yadda etc..
I know this wasn't to me, but nobody created God, we all always existed as intelligence, that's the Mormon view anyways.
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01-16-2009 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD
Some insects will eat their partner after mating, such as the Preying Mantis and the Black Widow Spider. Other animals, such as lions, have been known to kill offspring from the same species if it is not their own progeny. While still in the womb the tiger-shark will eat its siblings before being born, and many monkeys, while the same species, will kill other monkeys from rival troupes.
And some humans kill other humans...

We have the mental capacity to think about and create a system of morals. That is why it is wrong for us to kill each other. And before you ask, it's not wrong in any ultimate sense of the word.
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01-16-2009 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin A
"I am talking about man kills man? Why is it wrong if we are considered envolved "animals" "
Because we are evolved animals where we can feel and understand things better to understand logically that , that person doesn't really need to die.
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01-16-2009 , 01:45 PM
I got a few dumb questions here but if you try and follow the link between the two you might get it,

Lion kills other lion does that lion then have to go to court and possible face jail time for what that lion did?

Man kills other man does that man then have to go to court and possible face jail time for what that man did?

If both animals at some stage in the million whatever years of evloving got there by nature or natural selection, Whats the difference between the two animals?
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01-16-2009 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthHasNoEnd
Because we are evolved animals where we can feel and understand things better to understand logically that , that person doesn't really need to die.
Makes no sense, I can do whatever I want just like any other animal.
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