Same Circle.

Yes, a circle that you created with ur flawed thinking. But u dont see it.........

The sad thing is that an invisible entity living inside of his head is the only thing that could convince him otherwise.

Why don't you guys go find an evolution thread and see why you were left behind.

Why don't you go shadow box with baby Jesus?

Im more concerned with people accepting bear mauling as sometimes just then a God who ordered bear mauling.

But if i meet Yahweh i wont need to tell him. He will know i find bear punishment unjust and immoral. If im to be punished for that pretty much unchangeable moral view. Then so be it.

I knew there was no circle. Just to tie that dangling thread part up, River definitely thinks it is a fine punishment for mocking.

Hard to believe no one has posted this yet.

http://www.youtube.com/user/tektontv#p/u/7/MgkMJhcTE1c

You judge God and you judge me.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

I should learn to take the advice of Christ.

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

tpir you judge God and you do nothing to avoid the second death. What hope have you? When you stand before God and you will what will you say to him? What are you saying to him now? God has went out of His way to give you a "second" chance to live and you are using it to judge Him. Which is probably what you were doing before.

I wouldnt say we are judging you, more trying to point out the inconsistencies in your thinking. But you dont seem to see any of it.
I find it hard to believe that you really truly think that being killed by bears is a just punishment for mockery, but you have to defend that position, because if you dont, your whole facade comes crumbling down

I am trying to point out to you that you don't know everything and God does. So how can you judge God? You have no idea why God allowed this. If you don't 100% believe no God exist then why do you think with your limited knowledge you should judge God. God gave you this chance and instead of using it to live you spend all your time digging your pit deeper. I try to point out a reason that God may have allowed this to stop you from judging God and you accuse me of defending God. I was trying to help you. God needs no defense from me. God has no need to be defended for He is God.

morals come from god according to theists.
So the morals I have are the same as gods morals
It seems morally wrong for mockery to be punished by bear mauling
Therefore either morals dont come from god, my morals dont come from god, or god is immoral.

I can judge god by the same yardstick I judge anyone or anything. Add in the fact that since god is all powerful, he could have chosen any solution to the scenario with elisha, and something just doesnt add up.
This is just a disguised "god works in mysterious ways" arguement, and thats just bs.

You have not pointed out any reason why god may have allowed this, all you have said is "god may have had a good reason for doing it"

You are also undecided about whether god knows everything or not

How do you know so much about what god does or doesnt know? How do you know that what you know is true?

either he knows everything, or he doesnt. If he doesnt know what we are going to do, then he cant know what the kids were about to do to elisha( yes were back to this circle again, because you cant see the inconsistency). So therefore he had to be judging them on their observed actions. The only actions he observed was mockery, therefore his punishment for mockery is bear mauling, which you agree with.

You just dig deeper and deeper. I feel sad for you. Why do I pull for the underdog?

Please Please Please actually read my posts, and answer the points I have made.
I see inconsistencies in what you say, I want you to respond as to why they arent inconsistent, or as to why it doesnt matter that they are , or whatever. You are not engaging , you are just blanking out.
Instead of feeling sorry for me, answer my questions

lol I read your post. Your still Judging God.

You want me to read the mind of God and tell you why he allowed this. He is God and whether you like it or not He always will be God. You will answer to Him. He will not answer to you. You will find this out soon enough.

lol ok, you are just a cop out. I give up

I hope you find your way. I really do.

Check out my thread in laughs and links about "The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their reestablishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force;"

I ask this in another thread and I will ask it here.
In your view of a God less life do you have freewill?

No, free will is an illusion. And even if I did have it there are limits to it according to you, one of which being that I can't make fun of people who wear terrible rugs or have *any* future versions of myself that are disobedient, so is it really any different your way?

Who is stopping you from having freewill in a world you say there is no God in? Can you choose to order a pizza? What is your definition of freewill? I see freewill as the ability to make a choice. If everyone has freewill then those choices would interfere with each others outcome. They still could make the choice. You can choose to rob a bank. The guard might choose to stop you. You can choose to kill someone. That someone might choose to fight back and kill you. To me freewill is the being able to choose. The action of fulfilling that choice isn't part of that freewill it is your attempt to accomplish your choice. So maybe we have different definitions of freewill.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress....-no-free-will/
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress....-of-free-will/

lol, So your saying because you made one choice you couldn't have made another. Are you kidding me?

The fact that you made a choice means you had a choice. Otherwise you would be a robot running a program.

.. or a Christian

lol no that is not close to what I am saying. Of course I could have, but I didn't, that is the point.

S. Hawking agrees with you.

OK Mr. robot keep running your program.