stoning alduterers, insest, child sacrifice, slavery.... lol, need more?

lol, so you are 'proving' god had original ideas by HIS BOOK, wtf is this circular nonsense.... don't you think every other religious book does this

*facepalm*

religion is insane

Stoning Adulteres: Jesus declared 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone'. One by one the lynch mob retreated, realising that they too were sinners. Jesus stated, "and neither do I condemn you - go and sin no more".


As for incest and child sacrifice, hardly.

Slavery: "Servants, be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to Christ; not in the way of service only when eyes are on you, as men pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men; knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will receive the same again from the Lord, whether he is bound or free. You masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him." (Ephesians 6:5-9, WEB) (Please note: "Servants" in this passage means "slaves," as some Bible translations have it.)

Regarding slavery, here's what Jesus said:

"If you want to be great, you must be the servant of all the others. And if you want to be first, you must be the slave of the rest. The Son of Man did not come to be a slave master, but a slave who will give his life to rescue many people." (Matthew 20:26-28, CEV)

"Whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of everyone else." (Mark 10:44, NLT)

Indeed, the slavery Jesus and Paul spoke of is a very different type of slavery we know. The slavery they condoned is serving people with absolute selfless love, regardless what positions we are in: doctors, teachers, employers and employees, parents and children.

Jesus taught that the two most important commandments are 1) love God, and 2) love others as you love yourself: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:30-31, ASV)

Therefore, Jesus never condoned the cruel and ruthless slavery that humans have brought upon one another.

In the Old Testament, God did permit slavery for Israelites, but that slavery was also very different than the horrible treatment of slaves we know today. For example, God ordered male slaves to be set free after six years of service; but if the slaves loved their masters and didn't want freedom, the masters could have them for life. If girls were sold as slaves, the masters should care for them as wives; the masters should treat them as daughters if they married their sons. The penalty for kidnapping and selling people would be death. (Exodus 21)

But why didn't Jesus stop the oppressive form of slavery? To answer this, we must understand why Jesus came to Earth in the first place. He came down here to fulfill very specific missions in a short span of time. Simply put, he was command-oriented. That means he was set to accomplish only what he was commissioned to do by Jehovah God Almighty.

Jesus' coming was to 1) teach people about God's Kingdom, and 2) die in order to save us.

And by accomplishing his mission, he really in turn abolished slavery for good (but this won't be fulfilled until God's Kingdom is established on Earth). Once the Kingdom begins to reign, there will be no more tears, pain, suffering. Everyone will be happy and in peace for eternity. So Jesus accomplished everything and ended all evil simply by being command-oriented. To learn what salvation is, and why specifically Jesus had to die to save us, read my article: http://************/ylaafno

Right now and to all eternity, we are the slaves to righteousness, of Jehovah God and His Son Jesus, our Messiah. We serve Them with gladness selflessly, for They are the two best Masters anyone could ever have. If you ask me, we would be crazy not to rejoice over this privilege we have!

How are you as an employee? Are you fulfilling the duty as a faithful slave?

How are you as a master? Are you treating your loving slave well? Remember, you yourself are a slave to Christ and God, and They don't have any favorites. Love your slave as Christ loves you!

When and why did you cut me from your team Joey? I am a believer as you and all I was saying is that Jesus "was" and "is" before the creation of the world so in turn all His advice was from Him.

Then have no care for tomorrow: tomorrow will take care of itself. Take the trouble of the day as it comes. (Matthew 6:34)

Have a stubborn son? Stone him to death!
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21:

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.


Beating slaves is ok as long as you don't kill them
- Exodus 21:20-21:


If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

-sure sounds different from what it is today...?

Great wisdom. Thank you.

hmm.... contradictory itt..


-And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16



-If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

21:18-21 The long-term pattern of rebellion and sin of a child who was incorrigilby disobedient is what is here. No hope remained for such a person who flagrantly violated the 5th commandment(Honor your father and mother), so he was to be stoned to death.


21: 20-21 Punishment of slaves was considered the right of the owner, but did not allow for violence. Judges were to decide the appropriate punishment if the slave died. If the slave lived a few days it was evidence that the owner had no intent to kill, and the loss of the slave was punishment enough. A beating without death imediately ensuing was construed as a disciplinary matter not a homicidal one. Any permanent personal injury brought freedom and loss of a master's investment. The master's power over the slave was thus limited, which made this law unprecedented in the ancient world.

BTW, are you a creationist.?

Your attributing this to OT laws. Jesus died for our sins and we live by NT laws now. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth is no longer. Jesus changed all that when He died and rose again for our sins. Instead of the OT laws we live by the NT laws of turning the other cheek. : )

Judges 11:30-40 (King James Version)

30And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.


34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.

Originally Posted by PlanetSags
21:18-21 The long-term pattern of rebellion and sin of a child who was incorrigilby disobedient is what is here. No hope remained for such a person who flagrantly violated the 5th commandment(Honor your father and mother), so he was to be stoned to death.

-So you admit stoning was allowed?.. and im sure you've disrespected your mother and father before, would you like to be stoned.

21: 20-21 Punishment of slaves was considered the right of the owner, but did not allow for violence. Judges were to decide the appropriate punishment if the slave died. If the slave lived a few days it was evidence that the owner had no intent to kill, and the loss of the slave was punishment enough. A beating without death imediately ensuing was construed as a disciplinary matter not a homicidal one. Any permanent personal injury brought freedom and loss of a master's investment. The master's power over the slave was thus limited, which made this law unprecedented in the ancient world.

-So you're saying its okay to own someone else.??




Again, these were OT laws. We live by the New Testament, thanks to our Lord Jesus.


Am I a creationist? Yes I am. And I thank God for coming into my life and accepting me as I am. I am underserving of any of His grace, but thankful every day.

Genesis 19:30-38 (King James Version)

30And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.


-This is in the old testament but the bible still condones it.

It doesn't matter that its in the OT, because its in there and not rejected, therefore condoned.

-I dont see how someone could be a creationist with the huge evidence for evolution out there..

This was custom among generals to promise the god of their worship something of great value as a reward for that god's giving them victory. Jephthah was 1)a hypocrite in religious devotion, 2)familiar with human sacrifice among other nations, 3)influenced by such superstition. His act came in an era of bizarre things, even inconsistency by leaders whom God otherwise empowered .

11:35 Here is indicated the pain felt by her father in having to take the life of his only daughter to satisfy his pious, but unwise pledge.

okay..... i get that. but, its still an example of the bible condoning child sacrifice..

Nowhere does the bible condone this. Just because two ladies did this despicable act and it is written does not mean the bible condones it. Do you agree with this statement?

The immoral philosophy of Sodom and Gormorrah had so corrupted the thinking of Lot's daughters that they unhesitatingly contrived to be impregnated by their own father! They were virgins(v.8), the married daughters were dead(v.14) and there were no men left for husbands (v.25) In fearing they would have no children, they conceived the gross iniquity. The two sons born of incest became the progenitors of Moab and Ammon, Israel's longstanding enemies.

no. they shouldnt have included that if it wasn't acceptable.. there is no lesson learned from the story.

Well, from what I'm learning in that Yale course, that might not be the case:http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studie...tent/downloads worth a listen to. Prof's theory is that OT was not meant to be God condoning everything in it. They were morality tales, meant to be discussed.

Were they right or wrong to commit incest in order to allow their tribe to survive?

what tribe?

Agreed. You cant polish chit.

Anyway PlanetSags why do you get to choose the nice fluffy, cosy, new testament?
Is it because it's easier defend?

Isn't the old testament also the word of God?
If so, as the old and new testaments are clearly contradictory,
this means that God is falible and therefore isn't God.
Alternatively the Bible isn't divine and should be treated as such.

You choose.


Cogito, ergo Deus non est.

I didn't see the user name at first when I read this and assumed you were being sarcastic. Not planning for the future is horrible advice. Jesus had some good things to say. 'Take no thought for tomorrow' is not one of them, though. Sorry.