Hello 2p2,

How should I start?
First something about myself:
I'm a student and love to play poker, I'm playing a couple of years now and I don't have a bankroll now.
I got staked here on 2p2, but that was for 3.25 and 2.20's. It wasn't a big succes (can tell you more about it)

Now I'm looking to get staked for some satellites, just because I loved to play them!
For example the 3+ rebuy turbo to SM,
11.70 DS, etc etc
What I want to do; I will play them and if I win a ticket, then I will unreg myself and play for the 215 dollar, some now sat's.

We can continue this till we both want to stop, or 1 of the 2 wants to get end with this.

My opr:
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...67108.html?t=2

If you are interesting, please respond in this topic or send me a PM!

I think I can play about 100 sat's in a week ( can be 50, but also 200)

Thanks for reading and please give me a respond!

Tjimaa

I really didnt want to post this as I thought tjimaa had understood my point in his last staking demand http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...-stake-375614/
I have no hard feelings against this guy and I am perfectly aware that losing $$$ on a stakee is part of the game and I accept it. It has happend to me before. But since he's asking again...
tjimaa has started 3 threads on 2p2... all are stake demands...
After having him ask me for weeks to stake him I finally gave him a micro stake to see what he could do. Sry tjimaa but I asked you not to post stake demands on 2p2 anymore. You wouldn't get one anyway according to your actual OPR. Working on a real job for a few hours a week would get you the BR to try w/e you want. A stake is NOT a freeroll.

I think my final email to him says it all. This email was followed by some other chats on Msn I have kept if needed.

Hi Txxx,

You will find attached what I expected from you regarding the report.
Unfortunately, it does look as if I have been scammed. Hence, I'm gonna need some serious explanation about what you did with the money I sent you.
If you look at the spreadsheet I sent back to you, it entails all the tournaments you played since we started the staking agreement on the 9th January.
In this agreement, it was specified:

- You wouldn't play tournaments below 1$. And I see you played some qualifiers 0.5$ for the Sunday Million.
- You wouldn't play tournaments with less than 45 players. And you say you played some HU SnGs... This was allready specified in the staking agreement email I sent you...
- You would inform me about taking shots. And you didn't inform me of any shots you took.
- You wouldn't play tourneys with a buy-in above 5$. And you played some 5,5$ and an 11$... + you tell me in your "report" email that you played some 5,5$ turbos... The worst part in this is that not only it's above the BR management I had specified but I cannot find track of them which leads me to think that this is a lie...

Now if I calculate well and according the the report I have and OPR, you've lost between 28$ and 50$ max. And you said you won a few HU SnGs too...
And you are telling me that you lost 130$??? Where did the 80 missing $ go?
This is not a question of money, it's a question of trust and following rules that we both agreed on.
Staking is serious business, involves money and you're taking this in a very "light" manner. If you cannot follow some simple rules, you shouldn't be looking for a stake. I am gonna need some serious explanation from you. I do not think you're a bad guy but the way you've handled this is terrible.

You're insulting my intelligence if you think that the reasons given in your report for spewing over half a stake playing micro MTTs are good for me.
One thing that is also a bit "weird"... how can you keep asking for a stake in the staking thread while you are being staked by me? (without even informing me?)

1] You have "to get used to the players b/c they're horrible". It's your role to adapt and crush them, if you can't beat micro or low stakes you'll never beat higher stakes b/c you'll be facing the exact same donks (except that they have more $$$).
2] "Downswings" are standard however, the low volume you played explains it easily (moreover this volume is almost exclusively turbo SnGs). How much time did you invest in Poker this month? You cannot expect to be staked if you do not intend to play some kind of decent volume/time. 82 tourneys in a month is way behind what I expected from a grinder.
3] You "played 5,5$ turbos" which weren't authorized in the stake and those aren't even tracked... Did you really play those?

And now you're asking to play 6/45s and 12/180s. Are you serious? You can't beat 3/45s, and you'd like 2000$ to grind 12/180s...?

When we discussed before the stake, I told you to post more on 2p2 to read etc. The only thing you've been posting is stake demands...
Your knowledge of Poker is very faint and you have numerous leaks to plug before you become a profitable player. Your friends tell you you should play 12/180s? You wouldn't bear a chance playing those imo and you'd lose the whole stake in no time. Before saying you can beat those you should be discussing the regs.

I'm sorry if I may sound harsh but I'd rather tell the truth to you. You are not a good Poker Player. You probably luckboxed your only decent score and It'll take you a good 6 month before you become a decent player. I cannot spend that much time coaching you at micro stakes. As I said, I gave you the opportunity to prove you were reliable and you did the exact opposite.

As you have understod the stake is over.
However I am asking for explanations about all the questions above. If I do not get answers, I will do what I have to do. I am waiting for an answer today!
You handled this in a terrible manner; try not to end it even worse. I guess I could have helped you more but you were so sure you could beat 12/180s that I didn't think coaching for micro stakes would be useful. I was wrong.

Regards,

fwiw tjimaa did send back the $$ he had left.

sounds like you've been more than fair PB. Sounds like maybe B Fett should revoke his market place approval to stop op from starting any more of these.

I've not scammed PB, send him everything back what I got!

He's angry about me that he lost some of his money and I don't think it is nice from him that he wants to ruin my pokerlife!

Yes, he said u sent him back what u had remaining. But PB is a respected member on the forums and has no interest in "ruining you". He does however, have an interest in the poker community as a whole and warning them to your disregard to the staking agreement you made.

wow , having dealt with someone like this recently. a low stakes player who was very naive and fkd aroudn with money i can see that attitude very clearly here, jsut hoping ur rep doesnt get ruined instead of actually being a standup guy.

Ok, a couple of points here:

1) You don't have to be a full-on scammer to be a bad stake. Ok, so you didn't disappear with your backer's money five minutes after the transfer, good for you. However, that doesn't excuse you from the other terms of your staking agreement with PB.

2) The money you are staked does not belong to you. It is simply money your staker entrusts to your care. You have no right whatsoever to use that money in a manner inconsistent with your staking agreement, period. You don't use it to take shots, you don't use it to try out PLO, you don't use it to pay your phone bill.

In this case, tjimaa, you have abused your stake in about every way imaginable. You played outside of the agreement, you didn't communicate very well with your staker, you put in hardly any volume at all, and (probably worst of all) you have losses you aren't able to account for. You're clearly a losing player besides all of that.

Also, I was not aware until just now that you were seeking a stake while already being fully staked, which raises some serious questions. I don't know how you can sell more than 100% of your action. You producing a Broadway show?

Lastly, PB has no interest in ruining you. In fact, I spoke with him several times via PM and encouraged him to post his experiences with you, which he was very reluctant to do for quite a while.

Anyway, you're no longer permitted to solicit stakes on this site at all, and that includes via PM. I also think you ought to return all the your losses from the games you played but were not staked for, as well as those you can't account for.

In after Springtime for Hitler

I knew someone would get that

This is a big part of the reason I wanted to get Gonso involved in this forum; I trust his judgement much more than my own when it comes to staking issues.

OP, you have to understand that posting in this forum is a privilege. While I can understand your viewpoint that your backer wasn't actually "scammed", you still need to respect the rules that were set out for you. The money isn't yours to do as you please with.

Marketplace Approval removed. The software won't allow you to start threads here, but it will still let you reply to posts. I'll ask that you don't respond to staking threads looking for staking yourself.

I should add that Penny hasn't "ruin(ed your) pokerlife". He's certainly killed your ability to get staked on 2+2 for the time being, but you brought that upon yourself, and it's something you can recover from with some hard work.

In after lock!