I had been playing both cash and mtts for this backer. I finally made a score and got third in the sunday million for about 130k on stars and we settled the MTT make up number (from live and online and was 60kish which was separate from cash stake) and profit from both mtts and cash. I was doing much better than he thought in cash on party poker and gave me 70% instead of the agreed 50% which turned out to be around 20k extra.

Since he lives far away he was keeping all of the profit until I saw him next and he now owed me around 20k. We restructured the deal on stars to 50/50 even though i was playing cash on there bc I was playing all of the MTTs as well and party remained 70/30. I just let him do the numbers bc i trust him and didnt really think to ask about the money that was left in the stars account and whose it was (stupid I know). I continued playing on stars, lost some back and then a month later the account was frozen with about 18k in it.

Nothing is said for at least three months. I then ask if he can square the number he owes me and he only now informs me that I am responsible for half the frozen account and that would come off of what he owed me. I ask him how and he says as a favor I cashed out your money and all of the balance was his money. Which I dont really understand when I have yet to see an actual dollar of my profit since he has kept all of it. I said that was unfair and we then agreed that he would get me a bovada account and it would start with an 18k red number and Id work it off in cash instead of paying him 9k in cash. After two months of me continually asking if he has yet to set me up an account, I find out that he has already gotten two new accounts, one for him and one for someone else, and is yet to let me try to work off the number. This frustrated me and we started arguing and he is no longer offering the 18k red number on bovada. I feel like I am getting screwed here, but i dunno. Do I pay the 9k? Any input is appreciated

Why was your account frozen?

Who's your backer?

^ I think the issue seems to be that it isn't OP's account, that would be why it was frozen.

your Stars account was frozen? why?

same sn Jsizzle20 and it was my acct not my backers

I dont really see how this is relevant but it was frozen bc my mom recently passed away and before she did, while she was sick I tried to play from MD where she was and they caught me.......

it's pretty relevant if you ask me. Stars are accusing you of multi-accounting/account sharing, which is a serious breach of their Terms and Conditions.

I assume you mean MD in America.

I don't really understand why he cashes the money out and you don't see it then, but it's not my problem. Sorry for the original post and good luck.

Is it YOUR stars account frozen with the $18K in it? And he owes you $20K total?

The rest of your staking/make up deal may affect all this, but if it is as simple as the above then imo he just owes you $2K cash.

You fully knew you were breaking the rules by playing in the USA on stars and knew you were risking your account being suspended/closed & your balance frozen/confiscated. The backer should not be on the hook for this at all.

He is/was being incredible generous by saying you were only responsible for 1/2 of the Stars account balance.

There is more than likely ton more to all of this of course

oh wait, MD is in the USA? that will be the reason then. thought you were playing from another house that had a different Stars account linked to it.

How on earth could the reason for the banning be irrelevant. You admittedly and directly cost your team 18 racks lol. Your backer was being pretty nice offering you a 9k out.

Am I missing something here? This seems pretty clear cut to me, like I'm surprised there is a thread about it

When you wrote that you got to the part about the account being frozen and made a conscious decision not to include the reason why. Red flag.

To add further to the weirdness of this whole situation, the last tournament any tracking site has the OP's account playing is in September 2014, and the last cash play according to PTR is in October 2014, and it looks like the large bink that this is about happened over 7 months ago.

I suppose a logical question would be how did this not get sorted out during that time, but I tend to agree with the others that the OP got off easy with the split the balance thing , as presented, after he decided to set his account on fire by playing in the USA.

He was staking me on my account and I obviously told him that I was going to see my mother and would be playing and he was on board. I dont see how I could owe half the acct if he was staking me? If I assume half the risk then hes just taking half my action and not staking me. If that was the case why would he cash out all my money and leave only his?

I had just cleared make up and established a new deal for cash which was separate from stars bc stars would be mostly mtts which were always a separate backing deal from cash games.

He was backing me why would I put up all of the money for half the profit? I think you are confused. At most Id have 50% responsibility, but why would he give me 50% responsibility and then tell me it was only his money in the acct?

He "cashed" the money out via transferring to a couple people he owed and one person who wanted to buy stars chips and bc of how long I was in make up I didnt mind making it easy for him to pay people back with some of my profits. He gave me an extra 20k, we had a good relationship and we never really stressed about one person immediately paying the other.

I came here for opinions on the situation. Im only answering these questions about my account so you guys dont think I was multi accounting or something but all Im asking for is your opinion on the situation please. Id like to be fair.

Good lord I come on here as a fellow poker player looking for help on a situation to be fair to a long time backer. Do you guys want my moms doctors records too? I admitted to playing from MD and my account was frozen a long time ago and if you read above it says that he waited 3 months before telling me I owed him half.

I answered why my account was frozen immediately after someone asked?

that was really really stupid....

like you knew you were going to be insta-out 18k/account frozen if you tried to play in the U.S...

makes no sense but fwiw i wouldnt pay him a dime.

Hi Jsizzle20! There are a lot of knowledgable posters on 2+2, but your post is very confusing and just resembles a rant. Work on structuring it and then ask clear questions. Also, look for a better subforum to post this in, as then you could get better results. Good luck.

If your backer was legitly 100% ok with you playing from the USA and obv would know the risks involved then i can see the 18K being locked in their just going straight to make up and you not owing him any cash for this

clearly post full details regarding this as we are only getting a % of 1/2 the story

Condolences on the passing of your mother.

sorry for your mom and I think the backer gave u a fair resolution based on the fact youve listed here.

yeah, taking 50/50 responsibility for frozen acc seems fair to me as well

I know its confusing and there is a lot to it. He knew his risk with me playing from md, when we settled my make up number we never discussed if the new deal was going to be a new stake with make up or just giving him half of my action and me being responsible for half of the balance which was how our cash stake worked on the other site. All that was said was stars had to be 50/50 bc of the mtt variance. He says he assumed that it wasnt a stake and i didnt really think about it at that time.

When the account was frozen nothing was said for 3 months. When I then thought about it I felt if he squared it to be 50/50 then I was responsible for half which he wouldve left half the balance as my money when we squared the make up/profit OR if it was an mtt stake he just had to take a red number so either way nothing had to be done.

Then when we finally talk about it, I look at the numbers he has and see when we squared the make up number along with a few others, my profit number was taken out of the account and was reflected in the number he now owed me, meaning all the money in the stars acct was his. Which I would think means that he thought he was staking me. When i asked why he did that he said to do me a favor and get my money out first, which I dont get bc as discussed I was letting him owe me until I saw him next.

ty for all the input even though its an insanely complex situation.

It's not complex. Did he agree to you playing in MD? If yes, then you owe him nothing because he assumes the risk since it's his money you're risking and he knows the risk and he should pay if he owes you anything. If no, you should pay it all back. If it was not discussed at all (which doesn't sound like this is true), you should pay it all back.

It's very difficult to read your writing, so many of us are probably confused. Do you have a local friend who is a native English speaker? If so, perhaps he could help you clarify the situation for us.