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It's not an indictment of Nelson Mandela, it's an indictment of the USA#1 government and the arbitrary nature of terrorism designation.

Nelson Mandela Was On The U.S. Terrorist Watch List Until 2008

I thought this stuff was more common knowledge.

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Umkhonto we Sizwe and African tour: 1961–1962

The thatched room at Liliesleaf Farm, where Mandela hid
Disguising himself as a chauffeur, Mandela travelled the country incognito, organising the ANC's new cell structure and a mass stay-at-home strike for 29 May. Referred to as the "Black Pimpernel" in the press – a reference to Emma Orczy's 1905 novel The Scarlet Pimpernel – the police put out a warrant for his arrest.[97] Mandela held secret meetings with reporters, and after the government failed to prevent the strike, he warned them that many anti-apartheid activists would soon resort to violence through groups like the PAC's Poqo.[98] He believed that the ANC should form an armed group to channel some of this violence, convincing both ANC leader Albert Luthuli – who was morally opposed to violence – and allied activist groups of its necessity.[99]
Inspired by Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement in the Cuban Revolution, in 1961 Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation", abbreviated MK) with Sisulu and the communist Joe Slovo. Becoming chairman of the militant group, he gained ideas from illegal literature on guerilla warfare by Mao and Che Guevara. Officially separate from the ANC, in later years MK became the group's armed wing.[100] Most early MK members were white communists; after hiding in communist Wolfie Kodesh's flat in Berea, Mandela moved to the communist-owned Liliesleaf Farm in Rivonia, there joined by Raymond Mhlaba, Slovo and Bernstein, who put together the MK constitution.[101] Although Mandela himself denied ever being a Communist Party member, historical research has suggested that he might have been for a short period, starting from the late 1950s or early 1960s.[102] Operating through a cell structure, the MK agreed to acts of sabotage to exert maximum pressure on the government with minimum casualties, bombing military installations, power plants, telephone lines and transport links at night, when civilians were not present. Mandela noted that should these tactics fail, MK would resort to "guerilla warfare and terrorism."[103] Soon after ANC leader Luthuli was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the MK publicly announced its existence with 57 bombings on Dingane's Day (16 December) 1961, followed by further attacks on New Year's Eve.[104]
The ANC agreed to send Mandela as a delegate to the February 1962 Pan-African Freedom Movement for East, Central and Southern Africa (PAFMECSA) meeting in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.[105] Traveling there in secret, Mandela met with Emperor Haile Selassie I, and gave his speech after Selaisse's at the conference.[106] After the conference, he travelled to Cairo, Egypt, admiring the political reforms of President Gamal Abdel Nasser, and then went to Tunis, Tunisia, where President Habib Bourguiba gave him £5000 for weaponry. He proceeded to Morocco, Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Senegal, receiving funds from Liberian President William Tubman and Guinean President Ahmed Sékou Touré.[107] Leaving Africa for London, England, he met anti-apartheid activists, reporters and prominent leftist politicians.[108] Returning to Ethiopia, he began a six-month course in guerrilla warfare, but completed only two months before being recalled to South Africa.[109]

12-05-2013 , 08:00 PM

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allinontheturn

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Originally Posted by Abe008

**** any **** that kills any other ****, that's my motto.

Nobody move! That lassie got glassed, and no **** leaves here till we find out what **** did it!

12-05-2013 , 08:01 PM

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The Brickie

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This stuff really deserves it's own thread. Perhaps in the politics forum.

12-05-2013 , 08:03 PM

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allinontheturn

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FTR Jacob Zuma has killed many many more people than Mandela could ever be linked to due to his absolutely atrocious AIDS policy.

12-05-2013 , 08:04 PM

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Rolando Blackman

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Originally Posted by The Brickie

This stuff really deserves it's own thread. Perhaps in the politics forum.

yes back to the snooker talk!

12-05-2013 , 08:06 PM

#2481

The Brickie

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It's a compliment. I don't talk about interesting, threadworthy stuff.

12-05-2013 , 08:06 PM

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The Brickie

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That's why I come to omg.

12-05-2013 , 08:07 PM

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I thought it was more a jape at the fact that it was common knowledge they had done asymmetrical warfare to become free and the predicate was that the winner writes the history and whether you are freedom fighter or terrorist is more a function of if you won or lost. That might have been too much to read into it.

12-05-2013 , 08:07 PM

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omg post count +1

12-05-2013 , 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Brickie

That's why I come to omg.

i dont mind the snooker talk

12-05-2013 , 08:10 PM

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gregorio

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Mandela goat athlete oat

Spoiler:

12-05-2013 , 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by allinontheturn

no i was aware of it. mentioning it literally moments after he died was in incredibly poor taste, even for abe standards.

12-05-2013 , 08:13 PM

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Gaddafi and Mandela #DreamTeam

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Originally Posted by elrey

no i was aware of it. mentioning it literally moments after he died was in incredibly poor taste, even for abe standards.

Lol.

12-05-2013 , 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Brickie

That's why I come to omg.

& that's why we

you

12-05-2013 , 08:16 PM

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JustJ46671

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So, how bout them saints?

12-05-2013 , 08:16 PM

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Rolando Blackman

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lol taste. this is omg

12-05-2013 , 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolando Blackman

lol taste. this is omg

And that coming from elrey. I laughed a little.

12-05-2013 , 08:18 PM

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I know Mandela incited violence in the 50s and 60s, but that hardly qualifies as terrorism. We don't call the indians that fought us terrorists anymore, they literally shipped black people to reservations and ****.

US having him on terrorlist until 08 is obviously lol

12-05-2013 , 08:19 PM

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elrey talking about taste and class always good for the lols too

12-05-2013 , 08:21 PM

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im sorry you uncultured ****faces have no consciousness. go post in diebitter threads.

12-05-2013 , 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby

US having him on terrorlist until 08 is obviously lol

Yeah lol indeed considering most of his terroristic activity occurred during 2009-2013

12-05-2013 , 08:21 PM

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or in thediners case, go read gawker articles and agree with them.

12-05-2013 , 08:24 PM

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I don't see how it's such a travesty anyway. The guy was 95 years old.

12-05-2013 , 08:25 PM

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Rolando Blackman

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Originally Posted by elrey

im sorry you uncultured ****faces have no consciousness. go post in diebitter threads.

LOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL at u

12-05-2013 , 08:26 PM

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thats your response? its like ill_milita is posting again.

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