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there is since we're assuming that the move which yields the highest success over infinite trials is the best mathematically

finding out what move that is is a different story but a move exists even without knowing all the cards.

Last edited by Count Chocula; 04-22-2012 at 09:41 PM.

04-22-2012 , 09:36 PM

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this thread is useless until it leads to Mayo/CC chess challlenge

04-22-2012 , 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorio

let me know when a computer can win at this

mike tyson doesnt have to retire if he just learns 1st 2 moves .

04-22-2012 , 09:37 PM

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remember when people you used to just post hot half naked women in omgx3?

i posted some womenz a few pages ago to try to make up for it

04-22-2012 , 09:37 PM

#2731

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

You must have high standards if being among the top ten of something in the whole goddamn world isn't enough to classify you as "among the world's best."

Instead of trying to insist that Polgar's not an elite player, a better argument for you would be that of the top, say, 100 players of all time, at least 99% of them are men.

except imo it's 100%. If polgar is in the top 100 right now, I think it's nothing more than variance and she should eventually drop out (with no other woman taking her place). But ofc, on any actual list they will include her because she's a woman so not something I can ever verify

04-22-2012 , 09:37 PM

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peli, wtf. 3 months. that's all the holiday they give you down there.

04-22-2012 , 09:42 PM

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i am top ten goat mod of nvg imo; mayo top ten mod of 4l.

04-22-2012 , 09:43 PM

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Count Chocula

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therefore among greatest mods of all time I see your point

Last edited by Count Chocula; 04-22-2012 at 09:43 PM. Reason: kidding obv don't shoot me mayo

04-22-2012 , 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Chocula

A human playing a computer will adjust to playing against a computer though. Sending a bot online to play millions of hands is not what I'm talking about.

example, bot is always betting exact amounts to maximize ev (mathematically correct), how does a human not capitalize on that?

What the **** are you talking about? How are you going to "capitalize" on someone who is playing in a perfect way to maximize his EV against you?

I'm pretty sure that you have no idea what you're talking about. The whole goddamn point of the "mathematically correct move" is that the play will be non-exploitable. Then if Villain plays the same strategy, it's 0 EV. If Villain plays anything else, it's +EV for Hero. Nash equilibrium, mother****er. Do you speak it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorio

poker is not a game of complete information so there is not a correct mathematical move

It being a game of incomplete information is actually not very relevant, for a few reasons.

04-22-2012 , 09:44 PM

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04-22-2012 , 09:44 PM

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there are no women in top ten 4l mods imo

04-22-2012 , 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Chocula

Hou Yifan is #125ish currently and is 18yo imo.

And Polgar has been in the world top 100 nonstop for 10 years. Hardly "variance."

04-22-2012 , 09:47 PM

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the long run never arrives

04-22-2012 , 09:47 PM

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Quote:

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there are no women in top ten 4l mods imo

sock puppet tho

see also: aiott

04-22-2012 , 09:47 PM

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jmitch, would you mind banning me for 24 hrs so i can stop posting in this thread

Last edited by gregorio; 04-22-2012 at 09:48 PM. Reason: oh yeah, giz was a top 3 mod. forgot all about her :embarassed:

04-22-2012 , 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gregorio

there are no women in top ten 4l mods imo

any currently modding, there was a fine hard worker last time i roamed these parts.

04-22-2012 , 09:49 PM

#2743

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Originally Posted by gregorio

jmitch, would you mind banning me for 24 hrs so i can stop posting in this thread

dont go, stay, lets have some "insert whatever".

04-22-2012 , 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gregorio

jmitch, would you mind banning me for 24 hrs so i can stop posting in this thread

sure.

Last edited by jmitchell42; 04-22-2012 at 09:49 PM. Reason: fr srs?

04-22-2012 , 09:51 PM

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well doesn't matter. i'll just log out and pretend like i'm banned and never know either way

04-22-2012 , 09:51 PM

#2746

Count Chocula

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

something that is mathematically correct isn't non exploitable. non exploitable means guaranteed not to fail, that isn't the same thing at all. In poker you don't want to always make a non exploitable move, you want to make the best move possible, the highest +ev move. you're mixing up 2 different things.