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When to calldown and when not When to calldown and when not

06-28-2008 , 09:04 AM
So, what is a good spot to calldown and what is not ?
E.g. i'm not sure if this was a good spot although i know that this villain is able to make a 3-barrel bluff.


I didn't raise K6o preflop for balance purposes.

On the flop, i bet and got called. (I have no idea why i lead the flop).
However, the pot is still small, so should i just play c/f ?

On the turn an ace appears. Its a good bluffing card, however, my read tells me that he probably doesn't have an ace (most of the times he would raise an Ace preflop). I check 'cause i have nothing and don't want him to raise with possible air (since i don't want to fold to a possible bluff raise).
On the river, i still have nothing. However, now the pot is big and i think i can't fold K high anymore, esp. since i know that this guy is able to bluff all streets.

How would you play the hand ?


5/10 Hold'em (2 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 6.
Button calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 3, T, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (2 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (4 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh 6c (high card, ace).
Button has 8d Jd (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB.
06-28-2008 , 07:50 PM
I don't play HU so I can't comment strat-wise, but it's probably in your best interest not to post results if you're serious about improving and want to get legitimate, impartial advice.
06-28-2008 , 08:30 PM
If someone asks me i would say c/f flop would be a reasonable play in this spot. Anyone with other thoughts or everyone agrees ?
06-28-2008 , 09:08 PM
I'd raise preflop mostly. Without that, I'd c/f the flop. As played I'd c/f the turn. The problem that arises in this spot is that many villians still peel light in small unraised pots & you have nothing. If you're going to keep the pot small preflop don't make errors trying to win it.

Edit: the problem here is that against your opponents range of hands, you aren't going to win the pot instantly enough to show a profit.
06-29-2008 , 04:44 AM
(did not look at results)

Preflop is fine, raising is fine too. Mostly it depends on opponent.

C/f is standard on flop. You can take a stab though but I don't think it's that great.
Once he calls, it is very likely he has a piece. Not many villains will float the flop in a limped pot though they do exist.

I would just ignore the Ace. It is basically a brick. It is not a good bluff card cause neither of you has represented Ax the whole hand. So when you check to him he will bet all his pairs with confidence imo. I think c/f is best on the turn, followed by b/f and then c/c.

On the river the pot is big and all draws missed except 52 so I think I'd call. A bonus to calling is that you get to see how lightly he floats in tiny pots, how he valuebets, how he plays the flop in limped pots, what he's limping etc.
06-30-2008 , 06:43 PM
I often find it hard and I'm unsure of how to play these small pots oop.
But when looking at this hand a little bit further it definitely looks like c/f the flop is the play.
On the flop against a random hand our K high has only about 40% equity so we cannot bet for value.
If we then consider his limping range and the range he will bet when checked to we clearly not have the right price to call.
Also, If we take a stab at the pot on the flop theres not really any better hands hes going to fold.

And on the turn I think the same logic applies. Your probably a big underdog to his betting range so standard is just c/f.
06-30-2008 , 09:28 PM
I pretty much never lead the flop in these 2sb pots with a read. I played around with trying to balance bluffing/made hands, but decided that the lost EV on my made hands just wasn't worth the cheaper price to bluff. So now I just c/r if I want to push people around.

There's no easy answer to what to do in this spot. There are some rare opponents that you can c/c down against, but mostly we're not that lucky. Early in the match I don't mind a c/f much. Later on once I've established c/c'ing down in this spot with small pairs, I do more c/c-c/f and c/c-c/c-c/f.

The other thing about this particular flop is that it hits his range somewhat if he's limping the bottom 20-30% or w/e. If you're going to take a stand, it would probably be better to do so on a ~QT3 flop
07-01-2008 , 10:35 PM
i think c/c this flop is marginal but ok.

      
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