Hand 36
Seat 1: Hero (2,290)
Seat 2: Villan (710)
Hero posts the small blind of 20
Villan posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [K 8]
Hero raises to 80
Villan calls 40
*** FLOP *** [K A 6]
Villan checks
Hero bets 40
Villan calls 40
*** TURN *** [K A 6] [6]
Villan bets 80
Hero ?

I'd gotten behind early catching crappy cards then holding onto a paired 8 in in a 3/bet pot pre hand with a AK8 flop the a Q on turn and I c/c to river. Villan had AQ. A few hands villan over played his K9 with a K on flop. I had AK. After that villan tightened up and I was able to make a few MP or better hands against Villan and had only showed those down.
Here is my reasoning on this hand.
On the minus side:
This guys not real good. The way he was playing and no exp on sharkscope
so I think I can beat him. That 6 really sucked out loud. I dont remember him leading on the turn like that the entire match. He had only been calling me down.
On the + side:
He didnt play back pre so probably no A. Just calls on the flop so maybe no flush draw.
I know it looks like like an easy call down here but I could be in bad shape here and let this guy back in the match.
What do you guys think?

I usually think "hm that's a really good bluff card" and call.




And lose.

you cant fold that spot without more reads.

Raising can be better than calling in that it prevents 34 from bluffing you when the river is the T.

I think raising is awful.

unknown call call any river

later in match if u have a read fold or call and fold diamond rivers

but even late match i call this down alot since alot of my opponents bluff or bet diamonds here

Usually this kind of donkbet is something like QT (with or withoud )
You a super easy call on the turn

if ur spending two bets and hoping to catch a bluffrange spend them one street at time inducing bluffs

you gain an extra BB

**** hand protection diamonds are correct to call pretty much and ur beat too often to raise and fold to a 3b and u fold out bluffs like 3c4c for example

I think in a lot of situtations I would easily call. Probably cash game (although I dont paly a lot of cash games). If I were desperate for chips, or if villan was down to 2 or 3 BB left. Also, if levels are 10/20 or 20/40, it is easy call just to see what villan is doing. Unfortunately FT doesnt offer this sensible a structure. The chip count in the match really influenced my thinking here. If Im behind here then Im down to probably 2 outs on river and by calling the turn(3-betting the turn here is too optomistic for me) I've
just about committed to calling the river and if a falls I have a tougher decision and pot-odds make it really tough to get away from this hand.
I probably made this decision tougher than it should have been, but when you gut tells you one thing and your head tells you the opposite, who the hell do you listen to?

listening to yourself is getting you nowhere, look at your life. listening to me get you everywhere. look at my life, its great!!!!!!!!!

You may have a point.

:P

listen to your heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8axwcs7bi8&feature=fvst

In general, when the worst card hits the board I usually tilt allin.

In this particular case I just call and see what he has in store for us on the river.

fwiw, I did fold the K and I did win the match. In a SNG, risking the accumulation of chips is not as important as winning the match. Probably should have named the thread "World Class Lay Down".

spot on

Could you explain this a bit further?

If you win the match, you win the money.

I AM a bit curious how you go about winning the match without accumulating chips.

Also... Geeze I thought villain c/r the flop here. You absolutely cannot fold here.

maybe hes trying to say not risking to accumulate in very marginal spots (especially when blinds are at a stage where they are a major factor) when you can possibly wait and pick a better spot

Right, and at 15-20BBs, I disagree with that line of thinking. cEV=$ev goes the tournament slang, and when that deep, the advantage of "fold to have more profitable future situations" idea just isn't strong enough to pass up a +cEV decision for ~12% of our stack.

All decisions are thin in HUHU unless you are playing a *total* maniac (in which case waiting to 2TP because you know you can cap every street may have some merit)

Speaking about not a good card. The one I can lose a lot of bets to.

1st hand with unknown. Should i care or not?


Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 A
Hero raises, BB calls

Flop: (4 SB) 5 4 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (5 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

Would you cap with the K of spades if the 3 of spades falls? The answer should be no and you shouldn't cap here.

TY for comment.
I see where you are coming from. Its a valid point, but...

In my mind its not about me as much as it about him.

If random 3/6 opponent 3bet/calls with Ks, then my cap here is break even.
I the same random guy 3bet/calls with Qs i make money on my cap.

So it comes down to how good random 3/6 guy really is, is not it?

I think capping vs. an aggressive opponent is fine, if only for the simple reason that you can't get 5 bet.

I don't know why, but this just feels correct.

seriously guys? I never see people threebetting the third nut hand in that spot. Most small stakes players are too passive in my experience, not too aggressive.