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Originally Posted by kamitis
With top of theses hands i think we are lead to lot of players 80-90% open range. With button of theses hands i think we have enough win odds to call, we don't have position but i don't think it make us win odds smaller then our pot odds (25%). Exception to protect all them may be if opponent is real nit, i should also fold button of theses hands if opp is maniac who have rock on his raise button.
Yeah, I think you're on the right track. In addition to the above, we don't even have to profit from these hands -- as long as we lose less than 1 bb on average when calling, we're doing better than if we had folded. It also makes it difficult for villain to discount our ability to hit low cards, which decreases his ability to take exploitative lines on flops we would otherwise be less likely to connect with. Finally, we're typically playing against bad players, and it's good to play lots of hands versus poor opponents.
Although I was tempted to clarify your comment about the nitty player, I guess we can assume you mean someone who doesn't open super wide pf.
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Hmm... what really is default most used protect range in % from bb?
This is an interesting question just because I think you'll find a pretty wide range of opinions on the subject. For example, I prefer to play slightly tighter from the bb because I think the positional disadvantage postflop will outweigh other considerations in the long run. Other players play near if not 100% from the bb, in part because they feel they have odds to call anything versus a wide opener. We could maybe have bachfan run some hands to get a feel for what his bot does.