I stopped asking for hu on FR tables almost a year ago. I think it's a short-sighted way to gain a slight edge and horrible for the games. It really is an angle shoot where most of the time the fish who sat down has no clue what's going on, probably just wanted to sit and play some poker and is going "might as well do what this guy is telling me to do".

I don't respect HUplz on 6max tables. I still respect hu-requests on FR tables but I'm considering just being a dick from now on.

And I laugh in the face of anyone who requests hu on FTP.

I agree with everything here accept I will honor HU on FR and am not considering being a dick to people (unless I have been up for 24 hrs and I am really drunk)

One other thing I wanted to add to this.

If your intention is to start good 6 max games then why are you even asking for HU?

If your answer is because you play a lot of 6 max then why don't you just let the table fill and get the 6 max games started and play them?

Just because someone plays a lot of 6 max shouldn't get them extra HU hands IMO

Just saw edbighead explicitly lie about another player asking for hu...

honestly if everyone were cool about hu (ie not doing anything slimy to try to make fish agree, not badgering, not ****ing lying) there would be no problem at all imo.

honestly i have made or make most of my money hu and do ask for hu please when the fish also wants hu, but i would be cool if we all (EVERYONE) just got rid of all "hu please" nonsense at all tables...its short money that probably does more damage in the long than good in the short term...but that will never happen

I dont see how saying HU please can do any damage

Big deal you want to play heads up

alienates, turns off, further confuses fish because people r trying to exploit their ignorance

it doesn't do any of that. if both people want to play heads up at stakes where there are no hu tables it's ridiculous not to let them.

and fwiw, most people asking hu aren't just playing fish. i've been giving action to everyone k345, doulas, bluffman, tpir, etc.

yea but what I mean and maybe I didn't state it properly is that because not everyone is abiding by those same rules or has the same ethics, and these people are doing things like just saying hu plz without knowing if the fish wants hu etc it is hurting the game

if everyone did it the right way it would be fine, but so many try to angle shoot that just having the "hu plz" as an option is hurting the games imo

yes, we play the 6max if it is good, if it has 1 fish we will stay in it, same as playing for any 6max conditions, if 3 sharks fish and the guy was a breakeven guy you got HU right away then you would leave, that's normal for 6max tho, i'd guess myself and otr end up playing over 50 hands at 80-90% of the 6max tables we start when they get full on average, that's a rough estimate, just applying normal 6max criteria to this

i am not asking for HU at 6max, i saw this occur today for the first time when a reg did it, then it clicked to me that some of the regs sitting there are just HU guys, so essentially them waiting at 10 handed and 6max trying to ask for HU at both is the same as them sitting HU twice at each HU table on full tilt or stars (i know you cant do this now), so yeah it's absolutely absurd to ask for at a 6max table like you guys stated and FR is even questionable but certainly honored still for another reg and it is understood, i let the player keep his HU on 6max today cuz the other guy said it but i dont think i'll ever let it happen again but was curious to see if anyone else thought this was acceptable as i know sometimes it's easy to over analyze or oversee something


china, i'm confused you are quoting me and asking me about sitting at 6max and asking for HU? I was not talking about myself as I've never done this

i don't see why "hu please" should ever be accepted. not at a hu table = tough luck. i start tables all the time and would never expect anyone to leave me alone with a fish. if you want to be guaranteed a hu game, sit at a hu table

re: asking ppl to come to a hu table
if i've played a bunch of hu hands at a ring table and the game fills up in a way that i don't want to continue playing it i'll often tell my original opponent that i have a hu table open if they want to continue playing heads up. i feel that this is reasonable

yeah sounds fair nick, btw checktheriver is going to phuket and i think maybe chiang mai or bangkok if you want to get in touch with him

gonna be in europe for a few weeks but chiang mai otherwise. he's welcome to contact me if he comes through. awesome town

I probably end up playing a significant amount of hands a little less than this. Maybe 65-70%, but I'm a bit too nitty with my game selection in 6 max probably. Basically I won't always play if their is a weaker player at the table depending on my relative position. Of course most games I create are awesome so it doesn't matter much. I've definitely become way more comfortable at 6max over the past year, and I've also seen how terrible some of the hu only guys/gals can be trying to get/keep action.

Of course I'd rather play hu in most circumstances and I think the code of ethics I use with regards to all the 'hu pls' stuff helps me do that as much as possible.

I disagree, I know when I started playing I thought someone just wanted to play heads up when they asked for heads up

But then again everyone does not think the same.

you may see some people like otr15 and myself doing this, IT IS BECAUSE WE PLAY LOTS OF 6MAX, we dont expect those tables to stay HU for more than a minute, we are just starting good 6max games, would be interested in others takes on this



Well when you wrote the part I bolded above I thought you were implying that it was ok for you guys to ask for heads up @ 6 max games but not anyone who doesn't play 6 max.

A little confusing to me the way it was worded

Wow, seriously?

Besides creating a hostile atmosphere, unnecessarily tapping the tank, and being sort of an "arms race" in who's willing to go the farthest in unethical behaviour (st1ckman anyone?) it kills your second best source of income, 6-max, cause people keep starting FR tables that fill with regs once a fish sits.

Even when the fish truly wants to play hu and hu only it doesn't work that well. I had this happen a lot back in my "hu please" days:

1. Fish sits at a FR table I started
2. I ask him if he would prefer to keep the game HU and he says yes
3. A reg sits and me and the fish both instantly go "hu please"
4. The reg doesn't respect the request
5. The fish gets upset and leaves
6. ???
7. Nobody profits (except the fish I guess)

How is it a hostile atmosphere? You are just asking a question? If the other guy wants it you play heads up. If the 3rd player says no then you play 3 handed?

Where is the damage? This isn't rocket science

otr15 wins thread.

Not wishing to take any sides but I guess I'm a stakeholder here so I'll throw in my thoughts..

1. Sorry but I don't see how asking for HU when the fish joined you starting off HU harms anyone. It's obvious that those who prefer this form of the game are just making do within the constraints of stars' software, and the majority of full regs can understand and respect this. And, dare I say it, nearly all of the fish do too. We joke about their window licking plays but at this level they really are semi intelligent people who know exactly what's going on and that they're the mark. Doesn't stop clever people who know the casino has an edge from the odd gamble. Politely asking the fish if he wanted HU at these stakes because he couldn't play on proper HU tables can't possibly harm anything. Asking fish 1st is key though yes, just blanket HU pls isn't cool.

2. Doing it on 6max tables, meh I don't see why not techinically, just I don't cos I've always presumed an unwritten rule that full tables are for the HU people, 6max aren't going to last HU long anyway so leave them for 6max. And I have them filtered off to save a few yards of lobby junk

if a hu reg is just bum hunting 6max or fr tables, good players should deliberately join his games and kill his action.

but hu regs that give action to all the regs and play some 3-handed to help start a lot of 6max/fr games are not bad for the game. almost every reg i've encountered has been courteous enough to allow hu if both people ask for it. in return, i play any reg that sits with me so they can start up 6m/fr action. actually, well over 50% of my hands on stars are against regs.

and how is that for your winrate? are they too tight and therefore fishy or do they adapt well?

seems like they adjust well, i've got multiple 100bb swings vs them. it would 100% not be worth it for me to play them if i didn't get hu vs the occasional fish once in a while.

What's a good program to make vids?

camtasia

Thanks.