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06-16-2016 , 04:37 PM

#126

player1

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 538

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Originally Posted by Donk Dunc

3. The dealer was very very quick to pull in the face up cards. This was another juncture where a little thought could have prevented the escalation.

I often get the impression that dealer actions like this have the regs on their mind. Of course no way to know for sure.

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06-16-2016 , 04:45 PM

#127

gilmore38

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,187

I think you are spot on saying they handled it very well, good to see them taking it so seriously. I also agree I think you were lucky with the ruling, I always try to verbalise before I do anything but sometimes we all do things we know in hindsight was not the best way to do it.

Hope I run that good when I get there for 10 days tomorrow!!!

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06-16-2016 , 04:52 PM

#128

pig4bill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 34,856

I'm shocked at that ruling. Not shocked that they're changing the rule so next time the hand gets folded.

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06-16-2016 , 05:16 PM

#129

Stu Ungar

self-banned

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,000

Many poker rooms use the panacea of "intent" when making decisions..no mater what the actual rules may say. I have seen this happen many times at several different poker rooms in recent years.

Why have rules at all, if it is all going to come down to some lackey trying to figure out what the player's intent was? Not to mention "intent" is usually subjective from person to person..

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06-16-2016 , 05:50 PM

#130

grando1.0

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 17,111

Pretty sure the concept of intent is used when the rules don't cover a specific incident, as it did here. I think it's a great ruling in this case, unless for some reason op misrepresented the facts.

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06-16-2016 , 06:20 PM

#131

watbri2014

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,124

Im on a spastic starting table of the 2p, gotta pick the spots wisely

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06-16-2016 , 06:54 PM

#132

callmejc

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 31

So did the Villian have the flush? Did he never show his cards or he just mucked them after you tossed yours in? Surprised he wouldn't just chop the pot and move on unless he firmly believed your cards would be ruled dead.

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06-16-2016 , 07:02 PM

#133

p566

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,736

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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar

Did you read the part where the floor said he specifically did not consider intent when making his ruling, just that the rule book explicitly said card into the middle *face down* is a fold so he took that to mean face up is live?

I agree with what you are saying about intent. Just not sure why you were on about it here.

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06-16-2016 , 07:03 PM

#134

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Quote:

Originally Posted by callmejc

Villain didn't have a flush, or at least said so. We talked after floor manager was called but before shift manager had gotten involved, and he talked about how the pot should be his to reward his great bluff etc. When the shift manager was there explaining they were going to review the tapes, he took the opportunity to throw his cards into the muck face down.

I think it is safe to assume he did not have the flush as if he had, he just turns his cards over, wins the pot and avoids the lengthy and somewhat painful process he, I, the Bellagio management and the rest of the table had to go through.

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06-16-2016 , 07:05 PM

#135

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Quote:

Originally Posted by grando1.0

Pretty sure the concept of intent is used when the rules don't cover a specific incident, as it did here. I think it's a great ruling in this case, unless for some reason op misrepresented the facts.

Definitely didn't misrepresent the hand - no advantage in doing so after already outing myself as an idiot. 😜

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06-16-2016 , 07:08 PM

#136

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilmore38

Hope I run that good when I get there for 10 days tomorrow!!!

Run good on your trip Gilmore. If you want to play some drunken low stakes with an idiot that causes all kinds of unnecessary trouble at the table (Just joking - won't be making this mistake again), drop me a PM.

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06-16-2016 , 07:34 PM

#137

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Back at the scene of the crime.

$2/$5 at Bellagio

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06-16-2016 , 08:42 PM

#138

watbri2014

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,124

Busted the 2p, ran full house into quads then card dead and jam AK with 6bb and big blind has JJ that holds

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06-16-2016 , 11:40 PM

#139

watbri2014

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,124

Dunc and I came to Craftsteak for a nice dinner before i go home tomorrow

Steak, sweet corn, carrots and fries plus red wine

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06-17-2016 , 05:31 AM

#140

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

So after the great meal that was Craftsteak, Watbri and I took our food comas to the MGM $1/$2. My $650 profit included winning a $400 pot with King high!

Tomorrow Watbri unfortunately has to head home. He's great company and I have thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with him, throwing some dice, playing pai gow and running good at the felt.

Also tomorrow I have an Aussie mate getting in to town for a week. First time ever one of my poker playing buddies has been able to join me for the Las Vegas / WSOP experience and I'm super excited.

Here's hoping you are all running as good at the felt as I generally am.

DD

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06-17-2016 , 06:15 AM

#141

watbri2014

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,124

I only made $96 profit in the mgm 1/2 but got back to Rio and put it on the dice and left up +$405

Dinner with dunc was great, good last night out before i head for home...great to hang with a friend for a week in Vegas

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06-17-2016 , 10:11 AM

#142

EndoBird

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,353

Job well done by the B. Great customer service to go above and beyond when a simple ruling would have "just got it over with" and on to the next hand. Imagine how many people you've told and have read this and how it will portray the Bellagio in a positive manner.

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06-17-2016 , 01:07 PM

#143

AzOther1

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,383

+1 on the Craftsteak. Had _the_ best dinner ever there in Feb. Food, service, wine/cocktails, all on point and worth every cent. Mouth watering just thinking about it again...

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06-17-2016 , 02:35 PM

#144

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Jetlag or just Vegas? I went to bed at 3am and at 5.30am I'm still awake. I get up, wonder around for 15 minutes and then try to get to sleep again. 7am, I'm still awake and pi$$ed as I'm supposed to be meeting my friend at the airport at 11am and it looks like I'm gonna be hosting his first day in town on no sleep.

Next thing I know, it's 11.15am and he's already landed and my alarms haven't gone off. And all this is after getting a great night's sleep the night before that convinced me I had made jetlag my bitch.