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04-05-2017 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
lets play a fun game, which poster in this thread is this guy?



im thinking between one of three trolls...
Whose this rapist looking mf? Trooper and kraut better be careful before they end up on dateline lololol, but seriously though they better hope they don't meet this guy under any circumstances.
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04-05-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nickjehz
why is this relevant?
Maybe she sees he's bad at his "job", so what?
If he can sustain himself and they have a good time..
I'm kind of amazed you would ask why it's relevant. Having his own gf doubting him (especially if he has thin skin and reacts poorly to criticism from random comments online) is going to affect him at the poker table and could make him tilt even more, leading to more losses, which leads to more issues with Molly (including possibly ending the relationship), which could affect his mood even more and make him tilt even worse, etc.

You think she is okay with him losing $2400 that quickly? Or losing over $8k at 1-2 NL? Many women would not be saying "so what." Especially women that have never lost anywhere near that amount. She might even start to believe some of the criticisms she is reading from the comment section.


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Maybe she sees he's bad at his "job", so what?
You mean so what if she sees him as an unemployed gambling addict? It would be no different than him losing money in the pit or betting on sports and having no job. You really don't think that would tilt him and cause any serious issues between the two of them? Btw this is a hypothetical scenario; I don't know what she thinks and I doubt she thinks that yet.
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04-05-2017 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
He already had a habit of playing like this at 1-2. Might have done it more often when he was losing for months (but that's just speculation on my part).
Okay finally watched the video and I don't recall him betting his top pair hands that aggressively before. Although I do remember a lot of other risky moves he made, it's possible he did play top pairs that way and I've seen him stack off with A5o when he made a pair of aces and a passive player went bet/bet/shove and Trooper called down even though he only beat bluffs.

Interesting that he goes bet/bet/bet with these hands. When he flops a monster he tends to go bet/check/bet.
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04-05-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Playlive
The problem with Vlogs is that if you are not a top level player like Andrew Neeme you turn into someone living in fantasy land like Trooper.

a healthy percentage of people thinking trooper is below average or worse doesn't make neeme a top level player...bbhaha!

what makes you say this?? playing 5/10 doesn't make you top level either. neeme has shown a very abc game. which is fine and theoretically that style can produce long term success. but he's not showing viewers much more than playing his cards. and any good player knows if you only wait for and play top 12% hands you're destined to be a losing player. who's AA hold up every session to win a huge pot?? no ones.

boski is the only vlogger i've watched who's showing high level poker thought and consideration. not saying lag is better than tag. but lag is better than tag lol.

on another note. all vloggers should stop showing peeks of hands they muck. i don't need to see you got 93o. and then Q6o. it's not good vlog filler imo. boski gets this. chip porn and stack growth works great. especially if they do hand analysis.

trooper is on the ropes. but he seemed to be in a good mind-frame before and after the session. i was shocked! but the rant about the river tank could have been tilt talk. he showed some optimism by say the 2/5 mission still alive, with a 500 buy in remaining. it'll be good for vlog if he ran it up last night. 2/5 game seems to grab viewer interest. and makes for more chatter.



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04-05-2017 , 09:12 AM
new neeme vlog, 27 minutes thanks to mail on the couch apparently

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04-05-2017 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LVNightCrawler
Thanks for the comments. I always drop the 2 pair my thinking is instead of 1 card to come I get 3 cards to at least improve to a 3 of a kind. Chances to improve to a full house is slimmer I might be wrong but that is what I am thinking. I will try to find or design an overlay dont know how hard it is but i will look for one as for me talking I can do that but my voice is not the greatest. I am trying to keep the videos around 10 minutes if i can I am an ok poker player I just play my cards and I try to get a feel for what my opponents might be holding and go accordingly. But yea the street performer was great she has a great personality and was more then willing to do a short interview.
You can explain with text -- but as I'm sure you know -- no one wants to read a wall of text in the middle of video. As long as you keep it very concise though, its ok.

Now, it won't get as many viewers long term - so you just have to know what your goals are. If you are like PA and these videos are really for you and you are just sharing with everyone hey that's cool. If you are trying to be another Trooper -- you may need to find a friend who likes their voice and write a script for them. Basically, the standard "formula" for a poker vlog is to show a few hands and offer in-line analysis. Your own commentary on your own play. Though Brad Owen just slipped in a commentary on his friend Kevin's play and of course Doug Polk is well known for analyzing other hands from past TV poker events. Mostly everyone else commentates on their own play. The rest of the vlog is slice of life stuff, mixing in more will pull in people who are less interested in poker and more interested in where you are and what you are doing. Mix in more poker and less life stuff and you get more poker-focused people interested. You can see the debates itt with what a group of folks on a poker-oriented chat board think between say Neeme and Trooper. Which group is your core audience?
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04-05-2017 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KingAnything999
a healthy percentage of people thinking trooper is below average or worse doesn't make neeme a top level player...bbhaha!
I don't know what a top level player is, but I know that Neeme is infinitely better than Trooper.

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what makes you say this?? playing 5/10 doesn't make you top level either. neeme has shown a very abc game. which is fine and theoretically that style can produce long term success. but he's not showing viewers much more than playing his cards. and any good player knows if you only wait for and play top 12% hands you're destined to be a losing player. who's AA hold up every session to win a huge pot?? no ones.

boski is the only vlogger i've watched who's showing high level poker thought and consideration. not saying lag is better than tag. but lag is better than tag lol.
Boski primarily plays tournaments while the others play cash games (which are mostly capped). Apples to oranges comparison. I'd say most of the best live low stakes players are TAG rather than LAG. Although either can be profitable and being able to switch it up based on table conditions is optimal.

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on another note. all vloggers should stop showing peeks of hands they muck. i don't need to see you got 93o. and then Q6o.
This is Trooper hate, IMO.

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trooper is on the ropes. but he seemed to be in a good mind-frame before and after the session. i was shocked!
I'm shocked that you thought he was in a good frame of mind.
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04-05-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rm81
AJ hand was actually good I think.

The J10 hand was questionable up to the river but the river is absolutely a shove because your hand is too strong to c/f for $150 when there is 420 in there and you are not going to bluff catch here because of the pot to stack ratio. Yes sometimes opponent will check back a better hand but it is better to bet than call off here. I guess if you have a lot of history with some guys they will just never bluff or go for thin value and you can fold but not against a random guy.
He really needs to work on pot control in these situations. For the AJ hand, once the king hits the turn he is only ahead of weaker jacks and maybe some pocket pairs or suited aces that hit bottom pair. It is hard to tell his exact bet sizing from the video in proportion to pot size, but I would love for him to go into a bit more of his thought process on how he sizes his bets. If he is betting about 1/4 to 1/3 pot on the turn and river for a combination of pot control and thin value then his line is not too bad. Any bigger sizing than that and he played it terribly.

And the J10 hand is just terrible. Why shove river there? He is not folding out any better hands and hard to think of a worse hand that would both call the turn and the river here. Only thing betting does is ensure he gets zero value from bluffs and missed draws. But the mistake again goes back to bet sizing. Why make a turn bet that commits you to playing for stacks with top pair weak kicker? if you are short stacked you should be tightening up your range a bit.
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04-05-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Trooper seemed oblivious to the fact that villain may think Trooper would double barrel air but not triple barrel air or that Trooper would play an 8 like this (rivered trips).
+1
I have played an 8 in that spot pretty much like that before, so it was my first thought. K-10 ain't worried Trooper has A-10, he's worried about T8, 98, 87, 86 and A8, having not raised the flop or turn his 10 is lightly disguised, though villain could also be in a similar situation with JT or T9 facing 8x and having called down with perceived show-down value. But the river 8 kills his show-down value and turned KT into bluff catcher. For whatever reason (maybe he got a soul-read on Trooper) he heroed and took it down. I feel like Trooper was betting for value based on the flop. IMO JT is more of a check-call hand, but aggression often pays off so now I sound like Neeme validating all choices and then noting which choice was made. Chalk his rant up into the "completely oblivious to own self" column. facepalm
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04-05-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I'm kind of amazed you would ask why it's relevant. Having his own gf doubting him (especially if he has thin skin and reacts poorly to criticism from random comments online) is going to affect him at the poker table and could make him tilt even more, leading to more losses, which leads to more issues with Molly (including possibly ending the relationship), which could affect his mood even more and make him tilt even worse, etc.

You think she is okay with him losing $2400 that quickly? Or losing over $8k at 1-2 NL? Many women would not be saying "so what." Especially women that have never lost anywhere near that amount. She might even start to believe some of the criticisms she is reading from the comment section.




You mean so what if she sees him as an unemployed gambling addict? It would be no different than him losing money in the pit or betting on sports and having no job. You really don't think that would tilt him and cause any serious issues between the two of them? Btw this is a hypothetical scenario; I don't know what she thinks and I doubt she thinks that yet.
If I relate to my own situation (long time gf with zero interest in poker/gambling), she is fine with me playing a decent amount of poker etc..
And yes we sometimes discuss wins/losses and she is sometimes amazed with some figures wins or losses. other then that it has no impact or role in/on our daily life.

but then again I do have a full time job and don't gamble with all our savings and what not, as in troopers case its his livelihood

So I can see your point, I guess i'm used to a supporting environment.
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04-05-2017 , 10:02 AM
Anyone have a scientific mathematical guess at what chance trooper has of running up his remaining $501 Operation Uptick bankroll to say $2000 plus before going busto ???

Is it 50/50 or more like maybe ~15% ?

Let's for argument sake say trooper does drop back to $1/$2, how long will it be before we see phase 2 of Operation Uptick again ???

A lot of people here think trooper going busto, and dealing for the 2-3 month WSOP rush would be a good thing for him ???

That boy trooper has really got it out (or is it in) for work.
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04-05-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by w00t
Anyone have a scientific mathematical guess at what chance trooper has of running up his remaining $501 Operation Uptick bankroll to say $2000 plus before going busto ???

Is it 50/50 or more like maybe ~15% ?

Let's for argument sake say trooper does drop back to $1/$2, how long will it be before we see phase 2 of Operation Uptick again ???

A lot of people here think trooper going busto, and dealing for the 2-3 month WSOP rush would be a good thing for him ???

That boy trooper has really got it out (or is it in) for work.
I haven't seen the latest video, but it sounds like Trooper lost $2400 in the past two days. But didn't he have almost $4000 in the bankroll before that? So the bankroll should be $1500, not $500?. Which I assume he will drop down to 1/2 again until he gets it back to $3000.
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04-05-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wilson1560
He really needs to work on pot control in these situations. For the AJ hand, once the king hits the turn he is only ahead of weaker jacks and maybe some pocket pairs or suited aces that hit bottom pair. It is hard to tell his exact bet sizing from the video in proportion to pot size, but I would love for him to go into a bit more of his thought process on how he sizes his bets. If he is betting about 1/4 to 1/3 pot on the turn and river for a combination of pot control and thin value then his line is not too bad. Any bigger sizing than that and he played it terribly.

And the J10 hand is just terrible. Why shove river there? He is not folding out any better hands and hard to think of a worse hand that would both call the turn and the river here. Only thing betting does is ensure he gets zero value from bluffs and missed draws. But the mistake again goes back to bet sizing. Why make a turn bet that commits you to playing for stacks with top pair weak kicker? if you are short stacked you should be tightening up your range a bit.
The AJ hand was tough because the villian played the hand os bad by flatting pre and calling the flop multiway with just AK. KJ and sets are the only hands he should be worried about really. If you look closesly the river bet was small like a quarter pot and is a good value bet againstthe most likely holdings of the opponent.

J10 should of been a check probably on flop and definitely turn. River spot sucks should not if got to that. I probably shove but all options suck.
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04-05-2017 , 10:56 AM
Nitting a bit, since Andrew's videos are great overall, but does it bother anyone else that he racks up and shows his end of session chips before he completes his hand analyses? It gives us a bit too much of a sense of how the hands he's yet to discuss will turn out, and is kind of a pseudo-spoiler.
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04-05-2017 , 11:16 AM
I enjoy Andrews mail time videos... They are quicker than Troops, he does not spend the whole time making awful jokes/banter like troop does. Just gets on with it and they are edited well
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04-05-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OFA
I enjoy Andrews mail time videos... They are quicker than Troops, he does not spend the whole time making awful jokes/banter like troop does. Just gets on with it and they are edited well
i don't know, "there's no one there" still gets me after the 400th time...

i'm pretty mad he's already booking massive losses, i was hoping he'd ride this out a little. still root for the guy and think his vlog is entertaining when he's doing well. i don't play much these days so i'm not exactly the most analytical thinker, but whenever he goes over hands, i kinda sit there cringing. i just wanna tell the guy to stop and just admit to a loss.
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04-05-2017 , 11:21 AM
Lol at trooper complaining about people been in his way "newsflash" people vacation here and will like to take a look at the sights. Kind of ironic also as he walks complaining whilst walking and looking at a camera rather than where he is walking .

Some of the ways I see him play his hands is quite baffling. The 99 hand where he 3bets and pot goes 3 ways with one guy all in and he cbets ATX board then check gives up. I think he's one of these auto cbet donkeys that thinks they have to auto cbet 9/10 boards.

Flats A7 sooted pre OOP and flops A75r and he donks into 5 players just lol.

I really used to like trooper when I first started watching now he's starting to grate on me and can see why he has some haters although I think some people go waaaay too far. I also think he has a real talent with his video editing which he would be far better off pursuing and keeping poker as a hobby unless he's willing to work on his game. Very rarely when he talks a hand does he ever say he made a mistake , which even I who is a microstakes online regfish can see his game is riddled with mistakes
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04-05-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by w00t
Anyone have a scientific mathematical guess at what chance trooper has of running up his remaining $501 Operation Uptick bankroll to say $2000 plus before going busto ???

Is it 50/50 or more like maybe ~15%
It's definitely not 50/50. I'd say he should be under 50/50 just to turn $500 into $1k and that's if he wasn't on tilt.

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I haven't seen the latest video, but it sounds like Trooper lost $2400 in the past two days. But didn't he have almost $4000 in the bankroll before that? So the bankroll should be $1500, not $500?. Which I assume he will drop down to 1/2 again until he gets it back to $3000.
Good point. I was thinking he would be quitting Operation Uptick after losing his last $500 but actually the $500 is just what he has left to play with at 2/5. If he loses that he should go back to Operation Uptick Phase 1 with $1k. Essentially, if he does not lose that last $1k he will be stuck in an Operation Uptick quagmire where it is impossible for him to ever win money. His only chance to actually make money is either lose the remaining Operation Uptick roll or quit Operation Uptick.
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04-05-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Conz
i don't know, "there's no one there" still gets me after the 400th time...

i'm pretty mad he's already booking massive losses, i was hoping he'd ride this out a little. still root for the guy and think his vlog is entertaining when he's doing well. i don't play much these days so i'm not exactly the most analytical thinker, but whenever he goes over hands, i kinda sit there cringing. i just wanna tell the guy to stop and just admit to a loss.
He had an opportunity with Andrew a few months ago. He could have easily have been an ally, learnt a bit about poker and exchange tips on Youtube. He now has no value to Andrew so that isnt ever going to happen
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04-05-2017 , 11:36 AM
Lessons learned from operation uptick.

Put stop loss limits on individual sessions specially at phase 2 and 3.
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04-05-2017 , 11:54 AM
If nothing else, I hope people watch Andrew Neeme's vlogs and learn from him the proper way to act at the poker table..
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04-05-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OFA
I enjoy Andrews mail time videos... They are quicker than Troops, he does not spend the whole time making awful jokes/banter like troop does. Just gets on with it and they are edited well
I don't mind Trooper's mailtime, but do wish he'd steady up with the 'You don't got to send me x', or 'It's too much, too damn much'.

Agree 100% that Andrew's seem quicker, even though he spent almost 15 minutes on the couch this time, and I think you're right about the editing being the reason for that.
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04-05-2017 , 12:49 PM
"That's a snap call with K10!" - Trooper

I gotta admit Troop is pretty bad at poker. This video exemplified that in a big way. I knew my man had a few leaks but god dang Troop get yourself a coach and cut the ego bull****. You're going to be one of those angry old guys still playing 1/2 in 10 years if you don't. The JT hand was played horrible on every damn street. But of course his ego is preventing him from admitting that. I am still on #teamtrooper though. Just a bit frustrated that he won't admit a few things to himself. Like that he needs to work on his game off the felt.
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04-05-2017 , 12:51 PM
Has anyone mentioned/seen Brad Owen's last vlog? He mentioned that the Stone Casino would hook up a Vlogger's game with motel rooms for free. Sounds pretty good -- I hope they can get our favorites (Kraut, Andrew, Trooper) to get that game going. It would be interesting to see how each guy would make their vlog of that event.
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04-05-2017 , 12:59 PM
He's just playing scared with zero patience. His offhand remark about shoving a buy-in into A-A shows a lack of patience and starting his session down a buy-in gave him even less patience, which was reflected in how he played. This is why I think he played badly, not because he lost $1,400.

People getting overly excited about both his wins and losses. He started with a small win at 2/5, maybe $300 and omg it was like he won the lotto. No one I play poker with would gaf about winning less than a buyin at 2/5. I'd think this would be even more of the case in Vegas. Same goes for his losses, though his latest loss was not variance, but bad play due to lack of patience.

I'm rooting for him to win with his last $501. Frankly I think he should use the entire $1,501 so he has something to work with.

If you're reading, Go Troop! You can figure out a way to win, just be selective.
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