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02-14-2012 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NegativeZero
A quarter cannot be identified, e.g. it has no serial number which someone could use to claim ownership. Picking up a quarter off the street is not stealing.

Just because I take something that is not mine does not make it stealing.


He was paid by the dealer. The dealer fully intended to pay him. The dealer did not pay someone else. He did not violate any rules. It is not stealing.
Ugh...I had a long response all planned out but I'm tired of arguing with people on the internet who don't understand simple concepts. Congrats, you win. Hope you're never on a jury.
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02-14-2012 , 06:09 PM
Next time I see somebody pick up a recyclable bottle from the ground I'll think of you...
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02-14-2012 , 07:29 PM
Ultimately, I don't think it's right to keep the $$, however... I have run into this many times as a Blackjack player and there are a number of factors that made me do one thing on one day, and another on another...

When I first started playing, I was 18 and a few bucks was a big deal to me. So if a dealer accidently paid me $10 bucks, I wouldn't say anything and think it was my lucky day. I remember one day I was sad because I had lost $100 bucks and the dealer felt bad for me and said, "Come play at my table closer to closing time when there's no one around and I'll pay you you back some of your losses." I'd never take someone up on that, even as an idiotic 18 yr old.

Other times I would correct a dealer if I was winning that day, but not if I was losing.

If I liked the dealer, I would correct them, and if I thought they were jerks, I wouldn't say anything. However, funny thing is that one day after a dealer had accidently tried to pay a push twice to me and I said something, he later told me that he'd rather me not say anything because then it "shows up" more blatantly on the security cameras.

No, I will always tell the dealer if they've paid me when they shouldn't. I won't ever say anything if they've paid someone else's hand incorrectly. I figure now that I'm older, the money isn't as important as it was when I was a teenager, and I don't play Blackjack enough to like/dislike any of the dealers.
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02-14-2012 , 08:58 PM
You aren't doing the dealer any favors by telling them they made a mistake (unless it's over 1k) - in your favor or not. They would prefer you let it go, that way nobody finds out. The cameras almost will never see it if it's a few hundred bucks or less. Trust me, just let it go and it's best for everyone.
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02-15-2012 , 12:18 PM
Stealing is really a harsh word. The action it describes and implication it has on a person is profoundly negative.

If you break into a household and steal $25,000 worth of jewelry you're a thief. You stole.

If you borrow a pen from a co-worker and forget to give it back and keep it for the rest of your life, according to some posters on this thread, you're a thief, you stole. This also applies to the quarter analogy you find on a sidewalk. After all, it DID belong to SOMEONE who earned it.

And technically, they are right. You deprived someone of their personal property. You now possess something you shouldn't.

As hopefully all of us here know, there is a lot of gray area in life. You can't just label everything black and white. There are certain degrees, there are certain boundaries and limits.

So someone can argue being paid any amount extra at a Casino is thievery. And they probably have the definition of the word right.

However, if someone is brazen enough to label you a thief for being paid an extra relatively trite sum at a Casino or saying that you stole, is really a jackass. Nothing to it.
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02-15-2012 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
This is about table games, not poker. At poker I always correct it if a player has shown down a winner. At table games, I will always speak up on any players behalf, but never on the casinos. Simple.
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Originally Posted by Psychology 101
Clinically, "splitting" refers to the tendency to view people or events as either all good or all bad. It is a way of coping that allows a person to hold opposite, unintegrated views.
Hope that helps. Casinos are not evil, players are not good. Your "simple" should read "arbitrary."
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02-15-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackJesusLuvU
Stealing is really a harsh word. The action it describes and implication it has on a person is profoundly negative.

If you break into a household and steal $25,000 worth of jewelry you're a thief. You stole.

If you borrow a pen from a co-worker and forget to give it back and keep it for the rest of your life, according to some posters on this thread, you're a thief, you stole. This also applies to the quarter analogy you find on a sidewalk. After all, it DID belong to SOMEONE who earned it.

And technically, they are right. You deprived someone of their personal property. You now possess something you shouldn't.

As hopefully all of us here know, there is a lot of gray area in life. You can't just label everything black and white. There are certain degrees, there are certain boundaries and limits.

So someone can argue being paid any amount extra at a Casino is thievery. And they probably have the definition of the word right.

However, if someone is brazen enough to label you a thief for being paid an extra relatively trite sum at a Casino or saying that you stole, is really a jackass. Nothing to it.
??? I'm pretty sure that everyone ITT realizes that you can steal $1 or you can steal $1,000,000.
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02-15-2012 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
??? I'm pretty sure that everyone ITT realizes that you can steal $1 or you can steal $1,000,000.
Lol not to sound like a dick but it was earlier in the thread (maybe hence the ????), people were arguing about whether picking up a quarter off the ground was stealing

I personally think any stealing analogy in getting a few extra bucks from the casino is wrong. Other people don't think so.
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02-16-2012 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I don't want to seem like a "holier than thou" type, but I used to play a great deal of bj, and whenever that type of situation happened, I corrected the dealer rather than steal the money. And it is stealing, regardless of how anyone wants to justify it. I just value my own sense of integrity more than a few hundred or thousand dollars.

Plus, dealers are working stiffs like everyone else, I don't want want them to possibly lose a significant portion of a day's or week's income because they made an honest mistake, I knew it, and took the money anyway.

I don't buy the "casinos make a lot of money, so if you take something you're not entitled to, it's OK" theory. Walmart makes a lot of money too, but I don't go in there and take what I want for free. (though a hell of a lot of people try to).

Since I play a lot of blackjack, the floors know that I know what I'm doing. So if they catch a mistake, it would hardly be credible for me to say "oh, I didn't see that". We both know I'd be lying.

But as I said, everyone gets to decide what level of integrity they want to have, and what level they are comfortable with. Your character is how you act when you know you won't get caught.
most casino games are legitimized theft anyway, i feel no pity and would certainly enjoy stealing from a casino. i also donate massively and give monetary help away to almost any acquaintance that i think deserves help because i got lots of it. its just a matter of principle, if casinos can steal so should i be able to, works both ways.

and lol wal-mart i havnt bought anything from there in years but i think i have every TV series collection of DVD's from their wall... 14 seasons of south park...hahah. weeeeee i <3 WM
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02-16-2012 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 3BetBroke
most casino games are legitimized theft anyway, i feel no pity and would certainly enjoy stealing from a casino.
How do casinos steal? The rules are right out there in the open. Slot payback percentages aren't exactly a mystery. Anyone can figure out their expected losses very easily. The fact that 99% don't doesn't mean the casino is stealing.

I never say anything on dealer's mistakes, but I don't use some bull**** rationale like this.
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02-17-2012 , 04:27 AM
First time this happened to me I actually tried to tell the dealer but he ignored me. It was only for $10. Recently this happened at Seneca I had a split for a total of $400. They didnt catch it but the table was full and nobody said anything but gave me looks. I ended up losing it anyways. Keep it quiet these days its not even worth slowing down the game.
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02-17-2012 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter
Ok Browser, here's one:

You transfer a large balance out of your checking account to pay for big purchase. A day later, you use your checking card to pay for gas, forgetting there's only $10 in the account. You realize after you pump that you just overdrew you account and will be assessed a $50 charge. You check your statements x days later and the bank didn't charge you for an overdraft.

You call the bank to let them know they missed your overdraft, and you owe them $50?
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Try this instead, it's more to the OP's situation.

The bank places $225 into your checking account by mistake (just as the dealer placed $225 next to the OPs chips by mistake).

You immediately realize it's a bank error. So do you spend the $225, or let the bank know so they can take it out?

Is that just a "cost of doing business" by the bank? They should have hired better computer operators? They should have better software designed so a mistake couldn't happen? Is it OK to spend it, because the bank will overcharge some other person $225, so it will all even out? Is it OK to spend it, because banks make a lot of money by giving people a low interest rate on their savings, but invest it for a higher rate, and that's not really fair, so **** "em?

You can see how silly the typical excuses for taking the money are when you apply them to another type of business. But for some reason, certain people want to view a casino as somehow different from any other type of business. They try and make the case that casinos are somehow evil, because the house games have a mathematical edge. So they absolve themselves of all responsibility for being honest when it regards a casino.

And after you spend the bank's money you were mistakenly given, then the error is discovered, see what happens if you refuse to repay it. I'm pretty sure no law enforcement agency will tell you "no problem, you're good to go, they should have hired better tellers".
Well, the reason I used this hypothetical was to get your input this precise dilemma, which you avoided to do. You owe the fee, and if you don't pay it, you're "stealing."

Again, do you take the effort to contact the bank to notify them of their error? What if they put you on hold for 2 hours before you can talk to a representative? Is this inconvenience justify not paying the fee? Genuinely curious about your thoughts.

Others who argue for giving the $$ back to the casino please comment.
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02-17-2012 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter
Others who argue for giving the $$ back to the casino please comment.
It's within the bank's discretion to either charge or not charge a fee, and besides that they're not GIVING you anything. You could be honest and tell them they're supposed to charge you but it's not the same situation. The dealer gave money to the player that per the well-established rules of the game the player was not entitled to. It really is much more similar to the bank accidentally putting money in your account and you taking it, or a casino cashier paying you too much.
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02-17-2012 , 11:32 PM
I read 1/2 of the the thread

There is no way that they have a 1 to 1 ratio of watchers/security people for each table. I am sure they have more security on the higher limit tables, but the person watching is probably eating pizza and scratching their balls a good percentage of the time. Forsure these errors are going to go un-noticed a lot.

As to weather I would say something, I dunno, If it is true that it comes out of the dealer's pocket I am probably going to say something. If it comes out of the casino's pocket less likely. Dunno, I don't play enough to have ever had it happen to me.
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02-18-2012 , 01:31 AM
had a dealer pay me 400 bucks at a texas bonus table the other night when i had 2 pair and he had a flush. Didnt say anything and left
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02-18-2012 , 05:04 AM
What's the proper amount to tip her in the OP's situation? =)
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02-18-2012 , 06:15 AM
id tip dbl what he usually tips her
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02-18-2012 , 03:50 PM
fwiw, for each time that i've seen someone get incorrectly paid there have been 5 times the dealer has tried to take money/underpay people that have won

not that it's an excuse, but still a consideration
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