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08-23-2016 , 07:48 PM
    Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $20.30 (101.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $52.87 (264.4 bb)
    MP1: $28.76 (143.8 bb)
    MP2: $25.44 (127.2 bb)
    MP3: $17.59 (88 bb)
    CO: $34.12 (170.6 bb)
    BTN: $25.16 (125.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $20.50 (102.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 6 :: ::
    4 folds, CO calls $0.20, BTN folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

    Flop: ($2.40) 7 2 8 (3 players)
    BB bets $1.20, CO folds, Hero calls $1.20

    Turn: ($4.80) T (2 players)
    BB bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

    River: ($9.60) A (2 players)
    BB bets $7.20, Hero folds




    unknown reg 100hands. main question was to raise or not to raise OTT and why? thanks
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    08-23-2016 , 08:55 PM
    y t f u folded?
    insta reraise turn to answer ur question
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    08-23-2016 , 08:55 PM
    for value
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    08-24-2016 , 07:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ARCANGEL0
    y t f u folded?
    insta reraise turn to answer ur question
    because A was in his 3bet range and according to his sizing OTR.
    If I raise all bluffs folds and I isolate myself vs better hands. I have combodraw OTT but weak draws vs his value range imo. any other thoughts?
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    08-24-2016 , 07:47 AM
    If hes capable of folding JJ+ then I think raising is fine.
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    08-24-2016 , 08:01 AM
    We're almost getting direct odds to draw though so calling turn cannot be bad!
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    08-24-2016 , 05:14 PM
    Sorry misread the board thought u had a str8 sorry LOL!
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    08-24-2016 , 05:16 PM
    i fold flop.
    this is not the flop i am interested in w 76s
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    08-24-2016 , 05:17 PM
    fold all 3 streets at any avail opportunity
    i like the complete fwiw
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    08-24-2016 , 06:17 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ARCANGEL0
    i fold flop.
    this is not the flop i am interested in w 76s
    nitty play imo. autoprofit with any 2
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    08-24-2016 , 08:59 PM
    The question is whether or not to raise river, not OTT. Pre is probably fine, Flop is fine we got a pair with backdoor FD and straight potential. When you get to the river, it sort of depends on the strongest hands in your range, which goes back to which hands you complete with preflop and furthermore get to the river with. If you have straights or two pair you think can be raised for value, it makes sense to use the worse hand in your range to bluff raise with.

    Since your OOP, I think you don't have many strong holdings at all which makes folding river > raising.
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    08-25-2016 , 12:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Astiwp
    nitty play imo. autoprofit with any 2
    +1

    calling flop is fine, calling turn is fine

    reraising river is fine if you think you can fold alot of his value ranges enough for it to be +ev

    chips basically has it on the dot here. if you can fold JJ+ i don't mind it
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    08-25-2016 , 01:00 AM
    Raising turn is an interesting option because our pair is pretty much never good now. The 9 isn't an out we ever get paid on, but 7x and diamonds are pretty disguised. If we raise this we don't ever get to river with flushes either. I'm raising 88 pre for sure and probably 77, so we don't have a ton of value combos beyond 78.

    After trying to weigh that up I'm getting swayed by his bet sizing. He's giving us a good price, and I like to get to river with some hands that'll tilt the **** out of people.
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    08-25-2016 , 07:23 AM
    thanks a lot guys for your answers!!!
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    08-26-2016 , 01:20 AM
    reraising turn is cool because u r not drawing to the nuts + we fold better hands and better draws being optimistic RR to $7.25 and call it off if he jams

    reraising>calling>folding
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    08-26-2016 , 02:40 AM
    fold pre. srs
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    08-26-2016 , 06:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ARCANGEL0
    y t f u folded?
    insta reraise turn to answer ur question
    i agree, you can rep a lot with complete/call pre
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    08-27-2016 , 07:54 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeNdReTiC
    i agree, you can rep a lot with complete/call pre
    I pick up some equity ott, If I raise and he will ship it I can't actually call

    If I raise and he calls and river - blank. can I bluff R versus his calling T range?
    would he fold 2 pairs if all draws misses?

    If I raise and he calls and river comes any 9,J,Q,K,A - tough spot

    there are other bad scenarios for me. If he picked up better draw(str8 or FD)

    I think it's only 1 option - call turn. vs raise all bluffs he folds
    but other hands beats me.
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    08-27-2016 , 11:52 AM
    ''We're almost getting direct odds to draw though so calling turn cannot be bad! ''

    is kinda bad because there are no implied odds (if we hit the straight), and there are lot of reverse implied odds (bigger str8s and flushes)

    If u RR turn and he shoves you are getting more than 3 to 1 on your call.
    The only dirty out i can think of is 8 of diamonds (and that's IF he has a set)
    So you are getting less than 25% on your call and getting 28% pot odds
    (14 outs*2%) i am discounting sixes and sevens as outs

    ''I pick up some equity ott, If I raise and he will ship it I can't actually call''

    You CAN actually call. Almost break even call but is a little +EV in the long run
    Not calling will be a little -EV in the long run which adds up
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    08-27-2016 , 02:29 PM
    This is actually ok
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