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12-17-2014 , 02:47 PM

WithnoSenSe

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Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33451521

BTN: $72 (144 bb)
Hero (SB): $94.89 (189.8 bb)
BB: $78.86 (157.7 bb)
UTG: $129.42 (258.8 bb)
MP: $55.16 (110.3 bb)
CO: $61.88 (123.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $6.72, Hero calls $6.72

Turn: ($23.94) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($51.94) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $29.44 and is all-in, Hero folds

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21/17 360h
Rfi 20% fold to 3 bet 52%
aggr freq flop turn river 40/35/43 bet ip not super big.(could be sample issue)
I have almost 0 better hands(only KK), but villian doesnt have ton of bluffs(pre I made it okish, so he wont call that wide).
Really I should call, but I dont expect to win here. Flop without Qd I would just bet

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12-17-2014 , 03:00 PM

Brokenstars

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I'd probably still call river tbh.

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12-17-2014 , 03:18 PM

Franchise804

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I see no purpose in 3betting, given villains stats.

River is marginal so just fold but...wait for it...GTO wise calling is fine.

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12-17-2014 , 04:12 PM

WithnoSenSe

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Originally Posted by Franchise804

I see no purpose in 3betting, given villains stats.

River is marginal so just fold but...wait for it...GTO wise calling is fine.

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rather 3 bet AJs AQs? and call/fold this?

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12-17-2014 , 06:12 PM

Franchise804

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Originally Posted by WithnoSenSe

rather 3 bet AJs AQs? and call/fold this?

Nah both of those hands are strong enough with which to flat but not strong enough to 3bet.

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12-17-2014 , 06:41 PM

WithnoSenSe

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hmm, what if bb agressive?

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12-17-2014 , 07:57 PM

Franchise804

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Originally Posted by WithnoSenSe

hmm, what if bb agressive?

Since original raiser is in MP and presumably has a tight range, we can safely assume any squeeze is for value and just fold, barring any concrete reads. It's not the same as being on the BTN with 22 vs a CO open with a shortstack in the blinds, a situation where I often choose to 3bet.

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12-17-2014 , 09:05 PM

cho84eva

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3b pre is beautiful, bet flop, bet tu, jam riv

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12-17-2014 , 10:00 PM

Brokenstars

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villain is looking like a tightish reg so I prefer flat pre. FWIW

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12-17-2014 , 10:04 PM

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PokerSparky

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

villain is looking like a tightish reg so I prefer flat pre. FWIW

+1

As played, I would have bet the flop.

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12-18-2014 , 04:11 AM

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WithnoSenSe

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thanks for feedback!!

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12-18-2014 , 06:11 AM

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PandaLife

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x/c down should be good enough of the time here, don't like a fold.

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Originally Posted by Franchise804

It's not the same as being on the BTN with 22 vs a CO open with a shortstack in the blinds, a situation where I often choose to 3bet.

This doesn't sound like a good plan, why would you do this w shortstackers in the blinds who can easily jam over your 3bet and profit? Also don't like 3betting small pairs BTNvCO in the first place, care to elaborate why you think this is good?

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12-18-2014 , 07:42 AM

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WithnoSenSe

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Originally Posted by PandaLife

x/c down should be good enough of the time here, don't like a fold.

what worst you expect to see here(as played)?(only curious, what people think in general about flatting range)

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12-18-2014 , 09:30 AM

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Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by PandaLife

x/c down should be good enough of the time here, don't like a fold.

This doesn't sound like a good plan, why would you do this w shortstackers in the blinds who can easily jam over your 3bet and profit? Also don't like 3betting small pairs BTNvCO in the first place, care to elaborate why you think this is good?

I often 3bet low pocket pairs OOP and IP because it's nice to have some initiative with them when they basically have 0 playability post flop.

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12-18-2014 , 09:43 AM

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TWhelan

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Flat pre and +1 to PandaLife

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I often 3bet low pocket pairs OOP and IP because it's nice to have some initiative with them when they basically have 0 playability post flop.

Still

as to why you would choose to do that in a lot of preflop situations

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12-18-2014 , 10:06 AM

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cumonmytits

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What is the point of flatting with a hand that needs great implied odds - strong range of the villain? And you can't really play with 44 IP or OOP vs a moderately wide range and an aggro villain

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12-18-2014 , 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PandaLife

Both are possible but a shortstack is more likely to squeeze than to cold 4bet, just as with any player. If anything, 3betting reduces the risk of the ss getting involved in the hand.

I prefer to flat with small pairs because flopping sets and playing for stacks is fun, but there are conditions I require to be met before doing so. No shortstacks behind me is one of them.

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12-18-2014 , 04:27 PM

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I usually fold low pps oop, hard to play in 3 bet pots if villain is good and/or floats wide.

Id call river cause pot odds and top of range

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