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07-14-2009 , 10:52 PM
Ok, so there has been some discussion in the summer transfer thread about running a draft to create hypothetical Soccer/Football teams. I think this thread will be a good place so sort of what we want to do, and to identify who wants to participate.


A few things I would like to suggest:
-Draft is open to any player currently playing soccer anywhere in the world. So if you want to draft the top scorer from the J-League to play with Fernando Torres, you (LOL) can. But we will keep in perspective where these guys play when it comes time to evaluate complete teams.

-No Salary Cap or whatever

-Reverse worm snake draft(is this the right wording?) So draft pick order would go 1-2-3-4-5-6.... for round one, then 6-5-4-3-2-1 for the second round, then 1-2-3-4-5-6 for round three, etc.

-I'd like to cap the number of teams, simply so that this task doesn't take forever. Co-managers works for me too. But I think 20 max is probably enough, so we'll keep it like the EPL. What do you guys think.

-Draft a starting XI plus six subs

-Maybe draft a coach(LOL)?


Anyways, open for suggestions at the moment, and also a roll call for anyone who is interested.

I'm in.


BTW, when we get to the drafting part, lets keep it like how we did for the all time EPL draft, and as others have done, where we post the name, pic, and a brief write with your in progress team.


So whats it to you clowns?
07-14-2009 , 11:03 PM
how much?

Last edited by Cruizn63; 07-14-2009 at 11:03 PM. Reason: sounds fun
07-14-2009 , 11:10 PM
free ninety nine
07-14-2009 , 11:13 PM
in

if somebody dares to steal away sagna I kill that person :O
07-14-2009 , 11:16 PM
I'm trying to learn more, but am not that knowledgeable at all. I just want to say it'll be fun to read
07-14-2009 , 11:19 PM
I think this would be great time and I'll have plenty of time to devote to it so I'm definitely in.

Roster size of 17 sounds good, obv randomly decided draft order.

What should we be drafting a team to do? Play one season against the other teams in a league made up of the other drafted teams? Play a season + Cup tournaments? Play a tournament against the other drafted teams?

That makes a difference imo.

Also, are we only doing this for one season? Like if I draft someone I get their next season, not their entire career, right? That would make a huge difference too.

Should we take into consideration national team commitments and all that? Obviously, when the African Nation's Cup is going on that changes some players value. Maybe for this hypothetical we should stipulate that the players will have no other commitments except playing for our team.

Not sure how I feel about the idea of drafting a coach, but it's definitely an interesting idea. I'll just take Hiddink with the first pick in the draft...who needs players?
07-14-2009 , 11:20 PM
In.

We haven't done it like this but I would like to propose the idea of every team being co-owned. This would allow for his to have a correctly sized league (20), let more people be involved, and would probably move things along quicker.
07-14-2009 , 11:21 PM
Peak, current, or career?
07-14-2009 , 11:22 PM
My vote (from having read most of the other draft threads)

1. no coach
2. 17 players is fine
3. no national team obligations
4. I personally think a 1 season team works better, but am open to the alternative.

wrane: it has to be current or career choosing the peak is stupid
07-14-2009 , 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonkey123
My vote (from having read most of the other draft threads)

1. no coach
2. 17 players is fine
3. no national team obligations
4. I personally think a 1 season team works better, but am open to the alternative.

wrane: it has to be current or career choosing the peak is stupid


we used 5 year peak two years ago for the EPL draft and it worked more then fine



I'm possibly interested. I'm assuming that we also go by the same rule we used two years ago where you don't talk about players that haven't been drafted yet right?
07-14-2009 , 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDawg
we used 5 year peak two years ago for the EPL draft and it worked more then fine



I'm possibly interested. I'm assuming that we also go by the same rule we used two years ago where you don't talk about players that haven't been drafted yet right?
Well, I mean a 5 year peak is longer than some younger players have even played.
07-14-2009 , 11:28 PM
My thoughts:

No coach. You give your formation/strategy as you draft and/or at the end.

15-17 players

No worrying about ACN, International stuff.

The big question is whether or not we want to draft for just next year (one season value), or draft for the long term (takes age, potential into account).
07-14-2009 , 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDawg
we used 5 year peak two years ago for the EPL draft and it worked more then fine



I'm possibly interested. I'm assuming that we also go by the same rule we used two years ago where you don't talk about players that haven't been drafted yet right?
I don't like the "5 year peek" thing because it both counts for previous years and projects for the future depending on the player.

I definitely think it should be either a one year season (next year) or for the next 8 years or so (starting from next season).

One year would probably be easiest/work best, we could always do a long term one down the road.
07-14-2009 , 11:32 PM
Fwiw in.

But will probably need a co-owner.
07-14-2009 , 11:37 PM
Franchise co-own with me and coach me in fifa.
07-14-2009 , 11:54 PM
In, would like a co-owner as well
07-14-2009 , 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franchise 60
I don't like the "5 year peek" thing because it both counts for previous years and projects for the future depending on the player.

I definitely think it should be either a one year season (next year) or for the next 8 years or so (starting from next season).

One year would probably be easiest/work best, we could always do a long term one down the road.
Agreed. One year is better imo.

If for no other reason than planning for 8 years down the road is impractical. A lot of people's starters in 8 years are like 14 now and we have no idea who they are. One year is much better and easier from an evaluation standpoint.
07-15-2009 , 12:02 AM
Since I've never done one of these before, what do we do once we've picked our team?

I'm in though I would prefer to manage my team myself. If we have to co-own then can I have Bjorn?
07-15-2009 , 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franchise 60
I don't like the "5 year peek" thing because it both counts for previous years and projects for the future depending on the player.

I definitely think it should be either a one year season (next year) or for the next 8 years or so (starting from next season).

One year would probably be easiest/work best, we could always do a long term one down the road.
when I say 5 year peak, we'd select a player based on their best 5 years in the prem. It would have to be a sustained run, so someone like Shearer would be given the benefit of the doubt since he scored at a consistent level for a good amount of time. Obviously there would be cases of players like Klinsmann who only had two years in the prem, but those years were great years, so that's what the basis would be based off of. This was done mostly because we did a champ man sim for it at the end of it



edit: I'm against co-owning. I know how to put my own team together and what my own tactics will be. Plus having one team, one owner/manager puts more of a personal imprint on the side
07-15-2009 , 12:11 AM
I'm very interested. lol, I'll go one step beyond that, I'm in.
07-15-2009 , 12:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonkey123
Franchise co-own with me and coach me in fifa.
I would love to but I already PM'd someone asking if they'd do it with me. If they don't want to do it then definitely.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kitaristi0
Since I've never done one of these before, what do we do once we've picked our team?

I'm in though I would prefer to manage my team myself. If we have to co-own then can I have Bjorn?
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDawg
when I say 5 year peak, we'd select a player based on their best 5 years in the prem. It would have to be a sustained run, so someone like Shearer would be given the benefit of the doubt since he scored at a consistent level for a good amount of time. Obviously there would be cases of players like Klinsmann who only had two years in the prem, but those years were great years, so that's what the basis would be based off of. This was done mostly because we did a champ man sim for it at the end of it



edit: I'm against co-owning. I know how to put my own team together and what my own tactics will be. Plus having one team, one owner/manager puts more of a personal imprint on the side
I understand why regs wouldn't want to co-own, but I think it is more enjoyable than you'd think doing it with someone else (that's what she said?).

My main point is that it will allow the maximum amount of people to join, while giving us the right amount of teams (I think 30 might be a bit much), and will avoid the situations of non regs joining and getting bored (happens every time).

I just think it would be a nice change up to have everyone co-own. There are a ton of soccer regs on here and it's not like no one can find someone they'd get a long with (except maybe apple).

It's just a proposal I'm throwing out there, it should definitely be given some thought that's all.
07-15-2009 , 12:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stakman1011
Agreed. One year is better imo.

If for no other reason than planning for 8 years down the road is impractical. A lot of people's starters in 8 years are like 14 now and we have no idea who they are. One year is much better and easier from an evaluation standpoint.
in if it's for the upcoming season
we could have a wrapup/Poll next May to see who delivered ...should be interesting
07-15-2009 , 12:17 AM
Oh and my vote is for a one year team (going into next season as the time frame) after thinking it over.
07-15-2009 , 12:22 AM
co owning sounds really mehhhhhhhhhh
07-15-2009 , 12:25 AM
franchise, I have no doubt that I'd be able to find plenty of people I'd get along with for this, I just always like crafting the team in my image. Its also interesting to see how other people's images work and how they play out. The last time we did this, it was really interesting to see what people were going for and trying to figure out who was going after the same kind of thinking as you, so there was also an outwitting at teh same time. I certainly remember the fun uproar from some people when there was a quick run on Psycho, Irwin, and Winterburn

I think with co-owning, some of that individual tactic is taken out a bit, and what it also does is take some of the fun of forgetting about a player and then having that omgwtf moment on your own part when you realize that you forgot someone

      
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