but I believe it enabled me to see the future...

any feedback would be appreciated

take more of that stuff and move up to high cash games

I would have just called if I could see the future...you let the btn off the hook

lolz

Im going to need to run sum sims to confirm this

haha

I believe that is known in the business as a "one outer".

Standard bad play gets rewarded

even on LSD hero played the hand better than MP2...

I don't think there was anything bad in Hero's play. 1,5x pot behind on the flop, so getting it in is normal. I don't think there is any need to make tight folds here due to this being a tournament, as hero will still have 15bb left if he gets scooped.

Maybe raising small is slightly worse than both calling or shoving, but the chips are going in anyway.

TY for the feedback

correct me if im completely wrong here but, in game I thought this play gave me the best fold equity. OG raiser was not folding pre-.
OG raiser was also doing a lot of wacky stuff and raising pre- very wide even on a short stack.

"Maybe raising small is slightly worse than both calling or shoving, but the chips are going in anyway."

Very interesting and insightful. I weighed the options and in game once again felt it might look a lot scarier to raise small there, and god willing maximize my fold equity again. Not sure about this one.


TYTYTY everyone

correct me if im completely wrong here but, in game I thought flatting pre- was the right play here. OG raiser was not folding pre-.

OG raiser was also doing a lot of wacky stuff and raising pre- very wide even on a short stack.

"Maybe raising small is slightly worse than both calling or shoving, but the chips are going in anyway."

Interesting and insightful! TY

SB was very wacky btw, showing up with all kinds of garbage and making some really bad bluffs.

definitely the raise was too small. i think i raised too fast and didnt take MP2's call into account. I was playing a lot of tables. My play definitely suffered here from it. But my thinking in the moment was representing stronger by raising smaller rather than getting it in. I could raise smaller and call off, or I could jam. thought at the time option one might produce more folds.



TYTYTY everyone

Multiway we get quartered or scooped here a lot since we have no redraws (outside of potential case 9). Heads up changes things, but multiway I would flat flop, especially with the price giving to us of a bit under 1/3 the pot size and then 1 call. I would then evaluate the turn. There is no reason to raise this flop unless you think you are able to get a fold from reads on one of the other players (putting more dead money in the pot).

Remember, the goal is to scoop or quarter are opponents, not hope that we get half of a pot on a bare low draw no redraw.

Nice bink.

Yes, flatting flop is possible and is definitely ok. There are some pros and cons compared to raising. Fold equity is one. Weak visibility is another, even with position. That pair of nines is currently leading high a decent amount of time. So I disagree that there is no reason to raise flop.

Sure. However, when the pot is already big (like it clearly is here, only 1,5x pot behind), even fighting for a split can be better than letting it go.

I am not much into creating simulations, but for those who are, you can play around with propokertools. Hero doesn't need that much equity even to get it in on the flop profitably.

raise otf is fine imo, small raise while scary is still similar to raising

you ll see this quite a bit at beginning levels so dont expect to see the same bad play as you move up(well maybe not 100% true) focus on value betting at these stakes

I like raising pre. more than this flop. Main reasons not to do that are SB and BB having decent stacks and might have the same calling range (or even shove lighter).

On the flop SB donking is the worst, could be doing it for a few different reasons (my guess is he wanted MP2 to shove, but MP2 too stupid to read that -- see below). Whatever his reasons I doubt bet/folding is high on his list of things to do.

Also at these levels people can react with optimal stupidity when you raise small here, people saying it's the same here are assuming non-fish villains, deciding they have to call for pot odds and then have to call off the rest later for similar reasons.

tl;dr Better to be lucky than good, take more LSD and move up.

best story ever told op, thanks for sharing.