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04-07-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
No, again you're lying. I said I have no reason to believe otherwise, I trust the experts. Lots and lots of middle easterners don't though, and why would they when in their minds we're all blindly supporting Israel and locking up people who don't?
My interpretation was fine. Saying you're uneducated and don't have a dog in the fight implies a level of indifference to the options. If you now think you're educated enough now to form an opinion I'll take that as a victory. People in the middle east believe those conspiracy theories because of the large degrees of antisemitism and outright propaganda that is present in those countrie
04-07-2016 , 01:20 PM
Well no ****.
04-07-2016 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I'm sorry, but the Atlantic article was much more extensive than what you're citing. I think it was pretty good. I recommend you read it, and if there is anything in it you disagree with that you think I would agree with, then feel free to ask me a specific question if you would like my opinion. Alternatively, you could ask another specific question. Or not.
My goodness, show your own damned work. What you quoted from the article - what you cited, not me - was a silly example of a student newspaper response to a trolling student writer. I've asked you to explicitly state what it is you are right about that people ITT are wrong about; don't pull the lol read an article card, that's just sad.
04-07-2016 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
My goodness, show your own damned work. What you quoted from the article - what you cited, not me - was a silly example of a student newspaper response to a trolling student writer. I've asked you to explicitly state what it is you are right about that people ITT are wrong about; don't pull the lol read an article card, that's just sad.
Dude, I've quoted a bunch of things from that article. And I'm right about a lot of things others in here are wrong about. I'm not going to list them all. Could you ask a broader question?

Why don't you just narrow down what it is you're right about that you think I'm wrong about. We can talk about it and maybe I'll learn something.
04-07-2016 , 01:25 PM
I had no idea I was asking such a challenging question. Or why you are so obsessed over this specific brand of stupid things students say among the thousands of stupid things students say to me each and every day as a professor.
04-07-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
I know others have said it, but this post is laughable. Tony Soprano was as racist as Archie Bunker and probably the most influential character of the last 20 years.
or how people like DMW were shocked at how radical NWA was or the sex pistols or something. massive lol @people who don't know pop culture today trying to talk about it.
04-07-2016 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I had no idea I was asking such a challenging question. Or why you are so obsessed over this specific brand of stupid things students say among the thousands of stupid things students say to me each and every day as a professor.
I thought I told you, I'm not. I'm obsessed about being right, and people keep quoting me ITT, telling me I'm wrong, it pops up on the tapatalk and I feel the need to correct them. It's a sickness.
04-07-2016 , 01:28 PM
So do you agree that it IS pretty ridiculous to obsess and find examples of an across country tour of stupid things students say on this one and only one theme but the only reason you are doing it is just because others asked you too?
04-07-2016 , 01:31 PM
Well, I won't pretend I haven't gotten some lols out of it. But yeah, there a about a billion better things I could be doing. That's true of almost everything I do though.
04-07-2016 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I had no idea I was asking such a challenging question. Or why you are so obsessed over this specific brand of stupid things students say among the thousands of stupid things students say to me each and every day as a professor.
Exactly, and when there's impoverished children not getting adequate nutrition. That's the real problem. Also, there should be safe spaces for impoverished children.
04-07-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I thought I told you, I'm not. I'm obsessed about being right, and people keep quoting me ITT, telling me I'm wrong, it pops up on the tapatalk and I feel the need to correct them. It's a sickness.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...ban-me-204579/
04-07-2016 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
...and if there is anything in it you disagree with that you think I would agree with, then feel free to ask me a specific question if you would like my opinion. Alternatively, you could ask another specific question. Or not.
Can you name any specific professors who were fired because of SJWism?
04-07-2016 , 02:16 PM
Let me see if I can sum this whole thread up:

FoldnRape is mad that society is evolving while he isn't.

He doesn't want to have to change his mind or learn new rules. But that's not how society works. It changes over time and he's mad that his way of life feels threatened by new people who don't want to experience the old forms of discrimination and whatnot that he himself grew up understanding and accepting as harmless because, comparatively speak, they were more benign than the older forms of discrimination still.

Sure, he likely expected the olds of his day to change to accommodate the new rules of his day, but he does not want to have to change, now that he's old, to accommodate the new rules of this generation's day.

So we get 100+ posts from him on how microaggressions and safe spaces are dumb.
04-07-2016 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Can you name any specific professors who were fired because of SJWism?

I posted one earlier itt who was apparently fired for using the F-word, although that appears to have been the last straw in a longer line of offenses, so maybe not so much. I also named one who was put on leave for using the n-word while she was admitting her white privilege.

I get it, you're not too concerned. Neither are several other posters. Not sure what would concern you. 1, 10, 100, maybe that's something you should ask yourself. Also, why would firing professors be the only metric? The broader worry is that lots of students are becoming overly sensitive to downright silly things, and even sometimes pushing to have those silly things censored from safe places so they don't have to hear them.

Many professors have spoken up, and lots of others with beliefs throughout the political spectrum are concerned, including our President who was concerned enough to at least on two separate occasions, quoted itt, speak out publicly to let students know they should embrace alternate points of view, instead of reflexively fearing or hating them. That this is the path to learning, critical thought and understanding others.

Again, you're under no obligation to agree. I joke when I say I'm right and you're wrong. These are only opinions.
04-07-2016 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I still have no idea what you imagine he is worried about either.
Well, it's like this,

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I posted one earlier itt who was apparently fired for using the F-word, although that appears to have been the last straw in a longer line of offenses, so maybe not so much. I also named one who was put on leave for using the n-word while she was admitting her white privilege.

I get it, you're not too concerned. Neither are several other posters. Not sure what would concern you. 1, 10, 100, maybe that's something you should ask yourself. Also, why would firing professors be the only metric? The broader worry is that lots of students are becoming overly sensitive to downright silly things, and even sometimes pushing to have those silly things censored from safe places so they don't have to hear them.

Many professors have spoken up, and lots of others with beliefs throughout the political spectrum are concerned, including our President who was concerned enough to at least on two separate occasions, quoted itt, speak out publicly to let students know they should embrace alternate points of view, instead of reflexively fearing or hating them. That this is the path to learning, critical thought and understanding others.

Again, you're under no obligation to agree. I joke when I say I'm right and you're wrong. These are only opinions.
04-07-2016 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

So we get 100+ posts from him on how microaggressions and safe spaces are dumb.
Well, they are, aren't they? Student politics is proverbially idiotic. And it always was. Presumably they'll grow out of it and meanwhile it's just free entertainment. Yes, they may have spotted that 'America is a land of opportunity' and 'I think the best qualified person should get the job' can be used as a kind of racist code to decry affirmative action, duh, but students tend to be Stalinists who think you can just 'ban' anything bad, and you can't, it'll still be there.

Students aren't going to stop people on Washington Post comment strings saying, 'Why should my taxes pay for poor people's health care?' when they really mean 'black people's health care.' Students didn't stop a shocked local lady telling newshounds after the Sandy Hook horror, 'And to think people move here to get away from the crime in the big cities!' when she actually meant 'to get away from the black people.' (And the Sandy Hook killer's mother stockpiled those weapons because she belonged to the racist economic-doomsday cult and thought black people were going to come and take her stuff any day. Practically all Bushmaster sales, I suspect, are to people like that.)

Students think you can just 'ban' bad attitudes. But it's much more difficult.

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04-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Apparently he's worried about books being banned and Scots being kicked out of meetings. Not that those things have happened yet due to safe space culture, but he's making a preemptive strike of concern.
So that's it? You're very worried about something you believe Foldn is worried about so you're making some preemptive strike about it - what is it you imagine is going to happen?
04-07-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
or how people like DMW were shocked at how radical NWA was or the sex pistols or something. massive lol @people who don't know pop culture today trying to talk about it.
YOU people impose a simplistic meaning of 'edgy' on my post. I merely told you to watch some old Norman Lear era shows and catalogue everything that couldn't be written today (without triggering boycotts, professional victims, and tv exec saying they must not be a mouthpiece for bigotry).

Current black stars calling for violence against whites is not too new since their early 90s counterparts were also doing it.
04-07-2016 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Current black stars calling for violence against whites is not too new since their early 90s counterparts were also doing it.
Can you give some examples?
04-07-2016 , 04:22 PM
Incredible thread. Captain Tone Police and RapeN'DrunkDrive whining about OTHERS insisting on safe spaces.
04-07-2016 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Nope, not equivalent.



And stop adding this bull**** to make a scene when people are trying to have a reasoned argument with you.
What 4rum are you modding? This entire lot is just a liberal mob ballyhooing anyone that disagrees.
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Chez, can you name a book that's been banned because of SJWs?

Can you name a single professor who has been fired because of SJWs?
I don't know what an SJW is but I was told not to discuss an actual book [NSFW or probably NSFswj] by the department head because it would cause controversy. The class? Linguistics. The topic? Offensive words.
04-07-2016 , 04:40 PM
White conservative college kid wants to discuss the N word, what could possibly go wrong? Gonna go out on a limb here and say your prof did you a favor.
04-07-2016 , 04:55 PM
The reoccurring theme of this thread, and really this forum, is a handful of conservatives who honestly don't seem to understand how really basic ideas like "evidence" and "truth" work. It's really like they don't realize that the folks with whom they're arguing actually know things and aren't also just repeating what they believe hoping others will buy in.

I will say that it's more than just big names like Seinfeld (whose argument was really stupid) who have talked about the college thing. Just one example, but some small time comics on a podcast (Flimdrunk Frotcast- it's the best) I listen to mentioned how you need to tone down your set in some specific ways when working at colleges because you're far more likely to get a crowd that isn't as welcoming to certain bits (but that's far from censorship, that's just knowing your audience- they also talk about what you might have to change working in front of a primarily black crowd). That's also not that new, I was part of a crowd that resoundingly told Carlos Mencia to **** off in 2005 when somebody thought it was a good idea for him to host a Mos Def show (man that show was bad).
04-07-2016 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Incredible thread. Captain Tone Police and RapeN'DrunkDrive whining about OTHERS insisting on safe spaces.
There's still no tone policing going on LG.

What arguments did you somehow think are being ignored because of tone?
04-07-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
What 4rum are you modding? This entire lot is just a liberal mob ballyhooing anyone that disagrees.


I don't know what an SJW is but I was told not to discuss an actual book [NSFW or probably NSFswj] by the department head because it would cause controversy. The class? Linguistics. The topic? Offensive words.
To be fair, this is the best example of SJWs gone amock so far ITT, but not allowing people to drop N-bombs in class doesn't seem super unreasonable.

      
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