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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-04-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Meh i think it's really low but they're highly motivated to not look for the connections right now. Partisanship is a hell of a drug. Democrats aren't immune from it either.
If that were true they wouldn't be actively working to kill any and all investigations into this. They are working against the national security of the U.S. right now and we need to hold their feet to the fire.

https://thinkprogress.org/house-repu...2d6#.jsfkev4ul
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House Republicans just voted to keep hiding government information about Trump and Russia
Democrats forced a vote on asking the DOJ to turn its information over. It died on partisan lines in the Judiciary Committee.
03-04-2017 , 11:38 AM
man such amazing times we live in when i'm nodding my head sagely in agreement with lyndsey fkn graham as he gives his town hall meeting right now.

i basically hate his politics but he at least has a spine and some integrity
03-04-2017 , 11:38 AM
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https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/st...10340579426304
03-04-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Back in my day the worst they, the international students, had to deal with was a person going to a party in the international student's dorm at, say, UofC, taking advantage of the notorious open bar they'd always have, and vomiting all over the hallway. This story may or may not be true and the person may or may not be me.



Sorry if this isn't the time for levity; yes, this is ****ing horrific what's happening.
Did you go to Cal? I used to go to The International House to play ping pong. That was the big leagues, the Venice basketball court of ping pong in Berkeley.
03-04-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
They aren't human beings to you are they? Do you feel the same about dreamers brought here when they were babies?
Trump and his people consider Hispanics to be lesser people than whites. It's not a surprise that his supporters feel the same way.
03-04-2017 , 11:47 AM
There is a huge problem as far as investigations and anyone being held accountable is concerned: most members of the Republican Party have authoritarian leanings and probably like the way things are done in Russia, or at least they don't see it as a bad thing. As soon as they are inconvenienced by a regulation, rather than try to understand it and find out if it might have a useful purpose in the bigger picture, their reaction is invariably to tear the whole thing down. Similarly with perceived threats, i.e. Brown people, there is no humanitarian instinct or impulse to follow constitutional restraints, they want to use whatever measure it takes to eliminate the threat. They are authoritarians at their base, so they like what Trump is doing. By making a show about booting all immigrants out of the country, pumping even more money into the military to stick it to ISIS and not touching medicare/SS, Trump's base is completely happy. This isn't an original thought, I know, but I think it's worth repeating.
03-04-2017 , 11:48 AM
Happy Inauguration Day everybody.

Before 1937 the inauguration was held on March 4 (or March 5 if the 4th fell on a Sunday). Then we adopted the 20th amendment.
03-04-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
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https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/st...10340579426304
Isn't there a huge difference between "Obama wire tapped my phone" and "the FBI got a FISA warrant to examine Trump's ties with Russia"?
03-04-2017 , 11:51 AM
lets celebrate by swearing in a real president
03-04-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Isn't there a huge difference between "Obama wire tapped my phone" and "the FBI got a FISA warrant to examine Trump's ties with Russia"?
Yes tremendous difference. It's important to point out this would NOT have come from Obama.
03-04-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
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Originally Posted by kep
It's coming

03-04-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
There is a huge problem as far as investigations and anyone being held accountable is concerned: most members of the Republican Party have authoritarian leanings and probably like the way things are done in Russia, or at least they don't see it as a bad thing. As soon as they are inconvenienced by a regulation, rather than try to understand it and find out if it might have a useful purpose in the bigger picture, their reaction is invariably to tear the whole thing down. Similarly with perceived threats, i.e. Brown people, there is no humanitarian instinct or impulse to follow constitutional restraints, they want to use whatever measure it takes to eliminate the threat. They are authoritarians at their base, so they like what Trump is doing. By making a show about booting all immigrants out of the country, pumping even more money into the military to stick it to ISIS and not touching medicare/SS, Trump's base is completely happy. This isn't an original thought, I know, but I think it's worth repeating.
I dont doubt this is all true. Howver as an non-American I am often confused on the subtles of your politics. How can the same demographic be strongly libertarian and pro authoritarianism? Are these not polar opposite ends of the political spectrum?

How can the right like Russia but scream freedom at the top of thier lungs, every two minutes, like Braveheart.
03-04-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Yes tremendous difference. It's important to point out this would NOT have come from Obama.

LOL

if you really felt any wire tapping was perfectly legal, you wouldn't have to try to personally defend Obama from personal responsibility here.
03-04-2017 , 11:56 AM
They're called facts hornbug. They're still important to some of us (not Republicans obviously).
03-04-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I dont doubt this is all true. Howver as an non-American I am often confused on the subtles of your politics. How can the same demographic be strongly libertarian and pro authoritarianism? Are these not polar opposite ends of the political spectrum?

How can the right like Russia but scream freedom at the top of thier lungs, every two minutes, like Braveheart.
Most people who espouse libertarian ideas are really just anti-liberal. The pro-Putin hat fits just as well.
03-04-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
LOL

if you really felt any wire tapping was perfectly legal, you wouldn't have to try to personally defend Obama from personal responsibility here.
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But intellectual coherence or consistency are not baseline requirements for the messaging task Trump needs. If the Russia scandal continues to produce revelations of*unethical or unpatriotic behavior*by his campaign, he will need a response that can rally the conservative base behind him (and thus make Republicans in Congress reluctant to support independent investigations or even impeachment proceedings.) Turning the charge against Obama does that for him. It reframes the issue as a matter of the hated Obama abusing his power to discredit Trump. Any information flowing from the scandal is therefore presumptively tainted by its association with the former president.

The benefit of this line of reasoning is that it does not require conservatives to actually defend Trump’s behavior. All that’s needed is for their distrust of Obama to overcome their misgivings about Trump – a condition that describes virtually the entire Republican base.....

A crucial element to Trump’s success during the campaign was his ability to position himself as an insurgent, marshalling the support of Americans who had a wide range of discontent with the status quo under a single anti-establishment candidacy. Every populist who wins an election has to deal with the tricky problem of converting a political style that requires a lack of power or responsibility to the condition of having both. By making himself a victim of Obama’s alleged abuses of power, Trump revives and extends his status as insurgent indefinitely. The most powerful person on Earth will remain the victim of a conspiracy so vast.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ma-victim.html
03-04-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
lol morons who thought that speech was a pivot

A deranged lunatic is our president, no speech will ever change this
I posted that he would get a bump and then go on a tweet tirade that would eliminate the good faith by the weekend. Well, it didn't last 24 hours. Idk why I gave him enough credit to be reasonably competent for 72 hours
03-04-2017 , 12:05 PM
Obama tapped that ass? Nice. Trump prob got a sweet round Orange rumple if your not looking at his face.
03-04-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Uhh...


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...87684660412416


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89835818287106
Odds trump knows what McCarthyism is?
03-04-2017 , 12:06 PM
Similar to "enemy of the people," I'm quite sure Bannon knows what it is.
03-04-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05




Can Wookiee ban trump if he doesn't providence evidence of these claims?
03-04-2017 , 12:10 PM
Joke on NPR just now: "What's weird is his answer 'I did not have communications with the Russians' was an answer to the question 'how are you today Senator?'"
03-04-2017 , 12:10 PM
i'm wondering if bannon calmly convinced the president that blaming obama is the best strategic political move at this juncture, or if he whips him up by suggesting these things to him and then letting him go off on twitter
03-04-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I dont doubt this is all true. Howver as an non-American I am often confused on the subtles of your politics. How can the same demographic be strongly libertarian and pro authoritarianism? Are these not polar opposite ends of the political spectrum?

How can the right like Russia but scream freedom at the top of thier lungs, every two minutes, like Braveheart.
As Bobman pointed out, the small government/libertarian "beliefs" really aren't anything more than a convenient tool used to combat liberals that is quickly cast aside when local governments start doing anything progressive such as protecting minority rights. Some good examples of this playing o were in North Carolina, and now in Florida there is an effort to preempt at the state level, all local regulations.
03-04-2017 , 12:12 PM
screaming Mccarthyism and whataboutism are russia gov't argument defenses.

Republicans got the whole playbook and it looks more like a zero sum game every day.

      
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